Lisa Montgomery's execution now set for Jan. 12, giving time for clemency application

Fine, then let 'Bravik' (whoever the hell that is) do whatever the Norwegians like -- and leave America out of it.

Norway is a sweet little country with a total of 5 1/2 million really nice people, with good fishing, some impressive energy deposits, and a very beautiful countryside. But in no way should it be considered a template for the behavior of a country like the U. S. A., with our 331 million people -- too many of which fall into the category of murderous, uncontrolled, criminal beasts!

It actually would be far better if more of Americans were like Norwegians, but that isn't going to happen, unfortunately....

 

Y9u can't count religion because not everyone believes in God so while that is the basis for most of us it is not an undeniable universal truth.

In fact if you read some of the actions He has taken then you know morals do not apply to Him.

Therefore nothing is bad or good until at least two humans agree on it.

 

My mistake.
Breivik.

All Humans are Created Equal.

USA has horrible traditions of violating Human Rights. Americans are not innately worse then Norwegians.

 

In USA, the Laws are decided by the Majority who believe in Old Testament.

 

Sadly American Society makes people into such.

All Humans are Created Equal.

Hurt People Hurt People.

 

Not really and besides it still doesn't change the fact that the majority defined the morals, why they did it is irrelevant.

The majority of Iranians believe stoning is moral, can you show us why it wouldn't be?

 

I will agree that all humans are created as Homo Sapiens, and are endowed with equal rights in the United States, and that is proper.

But in no way are all people truly crated 'equal' in mentality, intelligence, perceptive abilities, athletic capability, or any of about a hundred other measurable criteria.

We (and all people) are also unequal when it comes to treating other people fairly, compassionately, or even with tolerance. And, some people MURDER other people deliberately. Those are the ones who, if found guilty after fair trials, should be executed with no delays....

 

Given that I lived in different Cultures with different Ethics, I have also considered the Nihilistic outlook on Ethics.

I am not sure if American Laws are more ethical then those of Iran or Pakistan. In Pakistan, Blasphemy against Islam is severely punished.

 

To a large degree

Hurt People Hurt People

Many of us would have acted monstrously under different circumstances.

 

Correct.

Take the 2xample in just America where at 9ne it was considered moral to marry a girl as soon as she reached birthing age simply because survival often meant a large family.
en back then as
When that happens today we call it disgusting and hand out jail sentences.

The morality of the act has never changed, it's still the same act and people loved children back then just as we do now so the people were the same.

So how can one society just flip morals if one is automatically correct?

They can't which means certain actions can mean different things at different times depending on the society they have created.

 

It's the same thing with any species in nature, including humans.

Different lines have developed different mechanisms through evolution, calling humans equal is like saying all breeds of dogs are exactly the same.

 

I agree 100%.

 

This is a deep philosophical question. Is there absolute Right and Wrong?

In some Cultures, human sacrifice was considered righteous.

 

enough with the bleeding heart crap. all people make decisions. those decisions are what give us our place in the world. hell, we've all been hurt, but few of us take out that hurt on others in a violent manner. those that do deserve to be severely chastised or even removed from society if the behavior is so egregious as to demand it.

yes, we are all created equal. at the moment of conception every one of us is equal to the rest, but after that the equality fades. once born we begin to make decisions and the equality takes a back seat to the responsibility for our actions. the few become the detritus of society, unusable and unremarkable or even dangerous. the worst of this must be discarded if we are to function as a society. the useless and backward we can absorb, but the outright dangerous must be eliminated in some way. their decisions, whether they have been wronged in the past or not, have brought them to where they are now and we cannot carry the weight of those who wish to destroy us.

 

I don't see it as revenge. I see it as removing them from the planet. Their soul has no reason to be on this earth. Makes it safer.

 

It's called "moral relativity" the religion of the secular society we live in.

 

I view those who wrong me as Absolute Evil.

 

I disagree. In Norway, even the worst criminals are treated humanely.

I have watched many documentaries about Vietnam War. Many of those who perpetrated atrocities became normal citizens in USA.

 

And a federal judge stayed the execution on a weak technicality which will send it into the Biden administration. So will he pardon this vile a heinous criminal who does not deserve one more second on this planet?

US judge again delays execution of woman on federal death row
Execution of Lisa Montgomery may now be rescheduled for after Donald Trump leaves office

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...elays-execution-of-woman-on-federal-death-row

 

And the Appeals Court over turns the lower court. Hopefully Biden will not be able to save this evil monster from her rightful punishment.

Appeals court vacates order delaying woman's execution
WASHINGTON (AP) — A federal appeals court has cleared the way for the only woman on federal death row to be executed before President-elect Joe Biden takes office.

The ruling, handed down Friday by a three-judge panel on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, concluded that a lower court judge erred when he vacated Lisa Montgomery’s execution date in an order last week.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/appeals-court-vacates-order-delaying-201359154.html

 

Can you quote Biden saying he will do this?

 

OP link
" Biden opposes the death penalty and his spokesman, TJ Ducklo, has said he would work to end its use. But Biden has not said whether he will halt federal executions after he takes office Jan. 20."
Is he a man of his word or not?

"Biden has pledged to abolish the federal death penalty, and incentivize states to stop seeking death sentences.
But it is unclear how the incoming Biden administration will handle executions scheduled by President Donald Trump after he leaves office. More than three dozen members of Congress are pressuring the Biden administration to prioritize ending the federal death penalty."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/25/politics/federal-execution-delay-lisa-montgomery/index.html

"Now he says he’s opposed to capital punishment and is ready to do something about it. That would be great. The new president ought to cite the current president’s unseemly rush to kill the condemned as final proof that meaningful change must come. For if the Trump administration has established anything with its execution spree these past few weeks it is that the federal death penalty is almost as broken as are capital regimes in states where executions still churn out year after year."
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-w...den-can-reshape-federal-death-penalty-america

Convince me he would not stop this execution.

 

I can't. I just didn't know his views on it.

I've gone back and forth on the death penalty. I'm not against it any longer, for extreme cases like this woman. I do, however, understand why people are against the death penalty.

 

And no one has made a case why this particular embodiment of evil should continue to live. Wonder if Biden might be heaving a sigh of relieve that what he has stated public will not be test because I don't find him to be a man of principles.

 

As I said; I'd let her fry.

As for principles; can you name 10 elected officials in DC with principles? Doubtful. That is including our current president; who doesn't seem to have any moral compass whatsoever.