Louie Gohmert, a Texas Republican, has tested positive for the coronavirus

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  1. FivepointFive

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    I keep 3 or 4 on the dashboard of the truck.. sunlight kills the virus in 90 seconds I believe.

    Thanks for the tip to carry spares

    Cuomo vs Hogan 2024. We can't lose
     
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    Beware that sunlight may not kill the virus. In Baghdad last week it was 130F and the virus is out of control in Iraq. A high number of the population work outside especially now that the electricity supply is not reliable hence air conditioning is rarely available. The best way of cleaning masks is detergents or anything that destroys the virus fatty membrane
     
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    Thanks; never hurts to be prepared if at all possible.
     
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    ** noting that you completely ignored my rebuttal **

    Don't need to. Masks do not work. See the N95 mask specifications. See covid-19 specifications.

    I believe you. You sound like a hypochondriac. There is no need for hand sanitizer when you are able to wash your hands, and you don't need to excessively wash your hands. Washing them now and then will do. I might've washed mine only a time or two today...

    I believe you. Again, this sounds like that of a hypochondriac. There is no need to wear gear nor sanitize everything...
     
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    No, Fivepointfive was correct on that. Sunlight does kill the virus, and it kills it rather quickly... Idk about "90 seconds" quickly, but UV light is indeed one thing that kills viruses, and sunlight provides plenty of UV-A and UV-B light (UV-C gets blocked by the atmosphere).
     
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    I know how viruses replicate. I'll admit that the words "breeding grounds" weren't the perfect words, as viruses do not literally replicate on a mask, but my point is that viruses that don't immediately pass through the pores of the mask will collect and be retained on the mask (which is made into a nice and moist environment by breathing into it all day). One then continually breathes that in all day, making a mask an enhanced source of transmission.

    It's harder to breathe with a mask on than it is with no mask on.

    Not thousands of times smaller... about 200ish times smaller. Have you tried breathing through a straw compared to breathing normally? While breathing through a mask isn't at that level, the point is that a mask still acts as a coupling reducer between the air inside the mask and the outside air. Have you ever wondered why people with asthma and other breathing conditions are exempt from such mask mandate policies? They already have breathing issues, and wearing a mask only exacerbates those issues...

    See above.

    Maybe think of it like water flowing through a spaghetti strainer... Yes, a water molecule is much smaller than the pores of a spaghetti strainer, and water still gets through those pores, but it takes longer for the water to get through the spaghetti strainer than it does if there were no spaghetti strainer. That's what's happening with wearing a mask. While air molecules still get through (one can still breathe), it takes longer for those molecules to get through the mask than it does without a mask, hence more difficulty breathing with a mask on.
     
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    He wasn't in an operating room situation (he specializes in internal medicine). I already stated why masks are worn in an operating room situation.

    I'm a Wisconsinite and I do not wear a mask unless I am literally being forced to wear one. I have to wear one at work due to working in a tyrannical uber-liberal county (who ought to be sued over the mandate), but I do not wear one anywhere else. Today is Day #1 of King Evers implementing an emergency order to mandate mask wearing throughout the State. However, outside of other legal issues with it, our State law only allows for it to last 60 days (unless extended by the State Legislature) and allows for our State Legislature to revoke the Governor's emergency order at any time. So, since our Legislature is controlled by Republicans, it will definitely last no longer than 60 days, and I doubt that it will even last the full 60 days unless they decide to cave to liberal baloney...

    I am able to breathe with a mask on as well, but it is definitely not as easy to breathe with one on as it is without one on, especially over any extended period of time.

    Are you using disposable masks?

    Unless you need to eat, get a drink, scratch an itch, adjust it because it slid around a bit or became uncomfortable, etc...

    Mine are too, but mine definitely decrease a bit with a mask on. I'm not saying that they drop to dangerously low levels, but they DO drop at least a little bit.

    Why?

    Why?

    I've also avoided contracting covid-19 and I've done none of that fear mongering hypochondriac baloney... However, I do have a healthy immune system and do get a lot of sunlight exposure.
     
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    Somehow I think the 145,000 plus people who've died if they could talk from the grave might not agree with you on the "fear mongering hypochondriac baloney" which you are espousing. Many people normally wear gloves to avoid contamination by bacteria/viruses and use hand sanitizer to avoid the same.

    Obviously you are willing to take the risks and that's your business and not mine. While I hope you do not contract it, in the event that you do, I hope you survive it and are not left with any lifelong medical conditions that might cause you to regret your lack of concern. Furthermore If you contract it, I hope you don't spread it to any innocent people where it ends up killing them or leaving them with lifelong medical conditions.

    Stay safe!
     
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    Those viruses trapped in the mask originated inside the mask wearer so he is already infected. Any viruses from another source would have entered the mask wearer if he did not wear a mask anyway.
    Hence a mask reduces speed of ejected particles or droplets hence will offer some protection to others if you wore a mask as those ejected particles will not be able to travel as far and larges droplets will be trapped within the mask
     
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    It was that reasoning that convinced some people to believe that the virus would disappear in the summer when sunshine was more or less guaranteed for significant periods of time. It's UVC that is used to sterilize equipment and that wavelength is what is required to kill the virus. Most of the UV that reaches Earth is UVA and some UVB which is only beneficial because it helps the body produce vitamin D which is currently believed to be beneficial in fighting off the virus.
     
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    That is probably good advice for the average person. But, IIRC, Fivepointfive does some kind of maintenance work. S/he is probably exposed to more bacteria and viruses than the average worker.
     
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    Those people did not die of covid-19... They died of pneumonia and other related complications.

    I wear such gloves when staining the deck or cleaning out gutters, for a couple of examples. I do not wear them to stop or prevent the spread of viruses. Hand sanitizer is meant for situations where there is no soap/water available. It is not meant to be excessively used along with excessively washing hands...

    You're willing to take the risks as well, as you continue to go out in public.

    Thanks. I hope the same for you. Although, I have little/no control over whether or not I contract the virus, whether or not I develop pneumonia as a result of contracting it, and etc... There's no use in fear mongering over what I have little/no control over.

    I have little/no control over that as well (beyond staying at home while sick).

    One of many mantras of a devout Maskwearer! ;)
     
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    Some of them; not all. Some of them also came from one's environment.

    Viruses from one's environment will enter into a person whether or not one wears a mask. Mask wearing is pointless beyond wishing to look like a hypochondriac dork.

    The particles are still escaping... Nothing is being stopped/prevented...

    No protection is being offered. The virus is still out there. All it takes is one virus to potentially infect somebody...
     
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    And if the Covid CAUSED the stroke it certainly is

    Nothing is perfect.
     
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    That's under normal behavior, where people are outside in the sun during the Summer... Under current fear mongering behavior, people are indoors more often (more like what it is in Winter), afraid to do anything. Also, under current fear mongering behavior, the virus can't spread around enough to achieve herd immunity... Even so, the virus has indeed died down during the Summer months, but numbers are being fudged/inflated to keep the "rising cases" storyline in the news and to make this look worse than it actually is (people never getting tested are being counted as positive cases, and etc.)

    UV-B is also used...

    Nope. Any wavelength will do, although UV-C is the best at it.

    Sunlight kills viruses. It is also a natural source of Vitamin D, as you say, which does boost the immune system.
     
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    Nope. That is death by stroke, not death by covid...

    My point exactly.
     
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    So we shouldn't wear them because they're not perfect? Is that what you're saying?
     
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    I'm saying that there's no reason to wear them because they don't stop nor prevent the spread of viruses.
     
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    They’ll say anything. None of it makes a lick of sense

    Be smart. Stay safe. Don’t listen to these people.

    wear a mask and stay apart.
     
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    You’ve noted numerous ways that virus collects in the mask. That tells you that the mask is effective.

    Just stop
     
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    How many of them do you think might have still been alive today if they hadn't contracted covid-19?


    You should be using soap and water when at all possible.


    The idea is to minimize the risk; eliminating it totally is not feasible.


    I haven't contracted it as well. While I do have some level of control over potential exposure to it, I don't consider it fear mongering, rather I consider it an act of being prudent.
     
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    Some virus collects on the mask. Other virus goes right through the mask pores. Ultimately, virus is still going through the mask pores.

    No, that tells you that the mask does not stop nor prevent the spread of viruses...

    No. I will keep spreading the truth to whoever has an ear to hear it.
     
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    How many of them do you think might have still died all the same if they had contracted a common flu virus as opposed to a covid-19 virus?

    Meh. I only wash my hands a few times a day... nothing excessive.

    Mask wearing does not minimize the risk.
    Glove wearing does not minimize the risk.
    Face shields do not minimize the risk.
    Plastic barriers do not minimize the risk.
    Coverings over credit card machines do not minimize the risk.

    Treating your immune system well minimizes the risk.
    Getting outside in the sunlight minimizes the risk.

    Basic hygiene is prudent. Staying home when sick is prudent. Mask wearing, social distancing, and excessive hand sanitizing and etc. is just fear mongering and hypochondria.
     
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    So you understand that the mask is effective and preventing “some” virus from going through the mask (in either direction).
    I’d call that a win on it’s face... and then understand that if some virus can’t get through at all, that most if not all, goes very little distance

    I think you might be getting it... although you’ll never admit it. Is it that you WANT every one to get this horror?
    Do you WANT this economic nightmare to go on indefinitely?
     
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    It certainly reduces it

    It can if you discard the gloves carefully after shopping for instance. A good rub with sanitizer will probably do as much

    Of course they reduce it. It limits the spewage from your face holes to mere inches

    Of course they do. do you think virus passes through plexiglass?

    Probably not but they make it easier to quickly clean. That's a plus

    Your immune system is not going to protect you from a good viral load of this virus. That;s beyond silly
     
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