Male Sexual Orientation Influenced by Genes

Well, sort of:

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/feb/14/genes-influence-male-sexual-orientation-study

HOWEVER:

AND:

OK, and then there's this:

Lastly,

Cue the "there is no gay gene" trolls and the black & white absolutists who don't like science because it doesn't always provide simple, clear answers. And who probably won't bother to read my closing comments:

I'm not posting this to assert that there is a gay gene. Rather, it illustrates that there is more to the way genes influence our existence than simple genetic inheritance, or a "gay gene". To sum up, the study tells us they found a statistically significant difference in a region of the X chromosome of gay men compared to straight men, but not a 'gay gene', and not a precise mechanism by which people become gay. Still the result is intriguing, and indicates that more study is necessary.

 

All of this doesn't surprise me. I think that human sexuality is more complex than people are willing to admit.

Which is why the whole argument about 'genetic' or 'born this way' to me has always been as immaterial as whether someone is born a Jew or becomes a Jew.

There is no rational for discriminating against homosexuals or against Jews.

 

Usually, the issue revolves ultimately around the concept of sin. If you have no control over your condition, then the condition cannot be a sin. Sin is by its nature a choice, something you can choose to stop, so that you can repent. And if something is inborn, it can't be a sin. So the religious argument is that since it IS a sin because the bible is usually interpreted as intending that, THEREFORE it can't be inborn and THEREFORE it's something deliberately chosen our of sheer perversity.

I'm comfortable not knowing the degree to which genes contribute (if any), or whether they do so in highly indirect fashion, or what role any factor plays in directing sexual orientation. But not knowing is something different from pretending gayness is a myth or doesn't exist for ideological reasons, or that it's somehow trained like creationism into defenseless infants by sadistic parents.

 

Genes...which is another way of saying personality attributes can play a role in sexuality. A gene can lead someone to be more angry or gentle. Introverted or extroverted. Talkative or a listener. Risk-taker or safe. I have no problem thinking that some people are more genetically prone to decide (yes decide) on a gay lifestyle. I can see genes aiding in people being attracted to more then just the opposite sex.

But I believe its a mixture of genes, environment and choice to a different degree per person.

 

A decision that observers now say takes place no later than the age of about 2 years. A decision so involuntary that "reparation therapy" was as popular as it was ineffective in religious circles. A "decision" so irreversible that people have died trying to change. And perhaps most of all, a "decision" that heterosexuals NEVER make. For them, it's just natural.

 

i never understood why my fellow straight guys have an issue with gay dudes.
it lessens competition.

 

LOL, I agree! The more guys who fancy each other - the fewer who are looking at the chicks I fancy.

 

I haven't had any trouble with people. Other than some horrible relativesthat I never liked, straight guys seem perfectly okay with it.

 

I have heard that sexual orientation is based on epigenetics which I don't really find all that surprising. Nevertheless, I still condemn unchastity amongst all people, including gays and lesbians.

 

That's because you're completely self-centered, wherefore you can't see farther than the end of your nose, and you don't dare imagine others being different in that regard.

 

Sexual attraction and love is not a lifestyle.

 

This lifestyle thing is just an agenda buzzword.

 

Sure it is. Not all sexual attractions are even legal....people have to make lifestyle choices when their sexual attraction is illegal.

Sexual attraction and love is very fluid and changeable.

 

So what does "lifestyle" mean anyway? Sounds like a generic meaning-free term that could apply to anything from sex to profession, from allergies to obesity, from living in Texas to living in sin, or whatever. I suppose I get up each day, and decide which "lifestyle" I'm going to live - should it be wheaties or corn flakes?

 

None of the above is evidence that sexual attraction is a lifestyle.

 

Except that "lifestyle", as noted above, is a buzzword that doesn't particularly mean anything. You could close your eyes, spin around until dizzy, point at random, and you're pointing at a "lifestyle".

 

Should I fish out the childhood videos of me going ga ga when Boy George was on MTV--he was sooooo cool

What does it matter? Sure some people claim they are going to prove it is genetic as evidence it is not a choice, but those same people will design a test for it and use it to further their eugenics program of coming up with new reasons to kill unborn babies. George Orwell was freaking brilliant in his indictment of society. Too bad people still fall for that bait and switch.

 

Wheaties. Every time. Especially strawberry frosted wheaties.

 

You mean like claiming same-sex marriage is wrong because you are offended by those who choose abortion? Sorry, but that's not enough bait and too big a switch to get anything except a horselaugh. Not even a good try.

 

Strawberry frosted wheaties - yum! Something of no nutritional value covered in a fattening and potentially deadly substance.

 

No same sex marriage is wrong because marriage as a legal institution is wrong because it denies people who aren't married equal protection under the law, but that has nothing to do with abortion being a eugenics program. You should look up the abortion statistics for those who test positive for Down Syndrome......

 

There is no way to avoid legal involvement.

 

What matters is the truth. Sexual attraction is not a lifestyle, simple as that. It is offensive to reduce sexual attraction and the struggles many have with their own sexual attractions to a lifestyle choice.

 

DELICIOUS!

 

humans were not completely chaste through most of our time on earth.


after 4 the village raised the child and people moved from partner to partner.

Do you KNOW what that means?