Maui Forest Fire: We need to change the Global Warming narrative

So 15 pages in, and the lefty progressive folks have essentially ignored the most important lesson here. Spending all your time worrying about the useless propaganda that effectively enslaves the world because, you know, climate change, abutting directly to the reality that was the wildfire in Maui. It's as if folks were actively trying to avoid the actual malfeasance of the state of Hawaii, the codification of their stupid. Worries about loss of life? Oh no. The Hawaiian officials were more worried that they cut water to one of their favorite plantation owners who wasn't effected by the fire, but who cares, folks died, too bad, it seems from the perspective of the Hawaiian state officials who actively contributed to the death of so many. Their performance is entirely indefensible. And it isn't a function of climate changing that cause these folks to fail so miserably, except to the extent that they were worried about other things than keeping folks safe. That much is true. And for that very singular reason, I think we all can blame climate change on the failure and the deaths here.

And there it is. AGW kills. The church of AGW kills people. Just ask the residents of Maui.

 

Do you suppose the Al Gore's of this world will accept any responsibility? I doubt it.

 

“Climate Change” stopped them from sounding the outdoor alert sirens?

“Hawaii has what it touts as the largest system of outdoor alert sirens in the world.”
The Associated Press
Maui's emergency services chief resigns after facing criticism for not activating sirens during fire, Story by By BOBBY CAINA CALVAN, JENNIFER SINCO KELLEHER and CHRISTOPHER WEBER, Associated Press.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/m...not-activating-sirens-during-fire/ar-AA1fnau1

What is the "missing" number now?

 

Politicians and bureaucrats in Hawaii have given Hawaiians the full Uvaldi treatment.

Hawaii wildfires: Death toll over 80 in devastating blazes as 'near-riot' breaks out
The Mirror|2 hours ago
Emotions are running high as thousands are missing, at least 80 people are ... but just shy of 1,500 people are still listed as 'not located.' After the shock of the fire, Maui local Anthony Garcia went to Lahaina's iconic banyan tree, now charred.

 

The IPCC pushes for nations to set their own goals and provide information concerning mitigation.

Those people's jobs are not even slightly at risk.

And, your idea that you can dodge this by suggesting a world wide conspiracy with NO evidence is something you need to get over.

 

Frankly, you and your ilk are the evidence of AGW disaster conspiracy. Sometimes you guys act like trained seals seeing who can bark the loudest to get a fish.
Let's get this straight;
1. there are NO, REPEAT, NO, climate change deniers on this forum. What we are not is Climate Change Panickers.
2. While there a terabytes of data on how the weather was in the past, there is not a single byte of how it will be in the future; there are lots of guesses, either SWAGs, Studies and models and such are the beginning of the scientific process - not its result. They're the hypotheses of climatological science. Not the end point. So far all Climatologists can answer when challenged on a finding is "well, that's what my model says". (yes, this is a bit of a simplification, but generally true).
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see my postm#381

 

Well, we CAN mitigate climate. We can move to develop energy sources that don't emit greenhouse gasses and change other practices.

"Poor forestry management practices" is a problem, too. But, it certainly isn't the only problem. In northern CA, the problem included poorly designed/maintained power lines, for example.

Climate change can exacerbate conditions that make forest fire more possible. In CA, the incredible drying of forests is an example of how climate change can make forest fires more likely.

 

Maui had average to above average rainfall during the latter part of July and about normal rainfall in early August.

 

Yes. Above normal precipitation during the wet season exacerbated this by causing the non native grasses to grow more fuel than normal. Lahaina gets virtually NO precipitation in August. Even a trace amount in August is a huge anomaly.

It’s hard to say there are drought conditions when it’s normal to have zero precipitation this time of year. You can’t have less than zero. I looked up 2023 August records and every decade back (2013, 2003, 1993, etc,) all the way back to 1963. The ONLY year there was any precipitation in August is 2023.

 

And yet there's no evidence any of that "mitigation" will have a significant effect.

No proof that AGW played any major role. Point is good forestry would have removed that debris and tinder that started and augmented the fire. A temperature change of a fraction of a degree was not a big contributor.

 

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Only if you want to starve half the population of the world, there is no other way.

Badly maintained power lines don't burn half the state in the presence of properly maintained forests. Maui is the same thing only no one was dealing with invasive grasses in a reasonable fashion at the very least mow the damn stuff occasionally.

The incredible dying forest sits atop a massive volcanic caldera that is pumping the soil full of CO2 which is killing the trees. Climate change has little to nothing to do with it.

 

Which as previously pointed out has to do with poor forestry practices not global warming.

 

How did climate change have anything to do with this? The rainfall was normal or above. The winds were not that abnormal. The maximum recorded gust was 67mph. Likely, the sustained winds were in the 40mph range. That is barely into the tropical storm range and not even close to hurricane strength.

 

One thing I must agree with the OP on is that the global warming narrative must, indeed be changed. This giant power grab by western government must needs be know for what it is. An attempt to convince the more ignorant and/or heavily indoctrinated members of the public into ceding more power in exchange for a more than dubious security;

 

Arson isn't climate change.

 

All bad things in your life are climate change. If you're car window gets broken out, climate change. If you drop a can of corn on your toe digging through the pantry, climate change.

You can also substitute in white supremacy for climate change it's a pick your bogeyman sort of thing.

Don't take these people seriously mock the living **** out of them. This is how you stop stupid beliefs.

Make it to where they are to embarrassed to say things this facile.

Also be aware of how they are being used. Those idiots in the UK gluing themselves to things is a scam using people that have stupid beliefs to try and get the public to ban protests.

Mock them and make them feel stupid for doing that. That way their mental contagion can't spread.

Some of these people are lost completely they aren't coming back. Put them in the flat Earth category. They are puppets for the government.

 

1. This is a cheap denialist attempt to ignore real problems. Rather than answering real issues, documented by real scientists, the claim of "panic" is made.

2. OK, this is more straight up denial. It's the claim that NOTHING about the future can be known.

Climate is not the only field of study that considers what outcomes will be.

 

Yes, you want to jump to an instant conclusion based on your opinion.

 

The weather conditions at Maui were not all that unusual. Climate change and AGW had little, if anything to do with it.

There are parts of Maui which are typically desert conditions because of the prevailing easterly winds and the mountains. Those are the areas which had the most dangerous fires.

 

That's exactly what you did. It's not my opinion, it's establish facts and actual "settled science", e.g. wind blow from highs to lows. Weather works that way.

 

If it is hilly or mountainous and it was so dry that walking on your lawn was like walking on peanut hulls and even the weeds are wilting in the morning. A careless move by almost anyone can start a fire. A big wind will ignite the canopy. And when that happens...pray for rain

 

Actually, not exactly. As the air tries to move from high pressure to low pressure, it curves to the right due to Coriolis acceleration. I turns to the right until it becomes somewhat parallel to the lines of constant pressure (isobars). It then flows along those isobars. At high attitude the air is almost parallel to the isobars. At low altitude, because of friction, the air crosses the isobars towards lower pressure. That is why in the northern hemisphere, the air flows clockwise around high pressure areas and counter clockwise around low pressure areas.

Coriolis is an interesting affect and is often demonstrated by throwing a ball to someone else on a merry go round. To a person on the merry go round, the ball appears to curve.

Coriolis even has to be considered in aiming artillery at long ranges. In the northern hemisphere, the shell appears to curve off to the right.

 

Baloney, it's an example of determining the REAL problem and addressing it, rather than twisting facts to suit your climate terror.

No it's not. It's a realistic explanation

Well DUH! EVERY field of study does that. Most fields of study, however, have ways to design experiments to investigate their hypotheses. Climatologists can't. Models are a poor, inaccurate, and incomplete substitute.

 

Yeah, considering past experience the the individual I was dealing with I attempted to keep it as simply as possible. Thanks for addition the addition detail.