Men Unite to Stand Against Violence Towards Women

As I said above domestic violence is only interesting if you can make out a feminist issue out of it. Many of the political actors who push that topic, will

- try to create a clima of sympathy with any woman who killed her baby (depression, hormones, whatsoever) changing the side from the defendant of the victim to the defendant of the perpetrator if it comes to women
- try to deny violence in Lesbian partnerships and stop any initiative there
- try to deny that domestic violence female against males does exist at all

 

What I find craaazy is according to feminists I'm somehow responsible for what men supposedly did 10,000 years ago because I'm a man and they were men and as

a man I should be punished for what men supposedly did 10,000 years ago because they were men and I'm a man. It would be humorous if this wasn't the politically correct belief and

therefore public policies are informed by this belief.

 

The part in bold is a lie.

 

Your whole comments here are based on lies, not mine.

 

So, in other words, you think this site should just get rid of the women's rights section because there isn't biased moderation? You do realize that virtually every single other site that exists has feminist biased moderation don't you?

If you don't believe me go to virtually any other site, even a site that is ostensibly for something other than feminism, such as, say the religious education site I used to post on, and say something an egalitarean might say, such as, the pay gap can largely be explained by personal choice, rather than discrimination and see what happens.

You said it yourself, "CONSENSUS and GROUNDSWELL OF PUBLIC OPINION is against [me] him and you want to eliminate opinions on one of the very few sites with unbiased moderation.

Why are feminists afraid of having their views scrutinized? Why is that? I would like to know why that is.

Thanks

Ryobi

 

Note here that you assume (invent facts not in evidence, aka lying) two different things about my purpose, and you make a false statement regarding what i said. I did not say you know about 10K history, which you most clearly do not, i asked if you do.

The part in bold is also a falsehood. If it were so, then even little bands of nomadic eskimos were
oppressed by cruel despots, and none had any rights.

 

How do you know women don't go around raping men everday? A woman is 20 times less likely to be prosecuted for a crime than a man. If women were prosecuted at the same rate men are, maybe it would be shown women do rape men everyday, and assault does not equal domestic violence. A bar fight between two men who are not a couple and are not related is not domestic violence.


Estimating Gender Disparities in Federal Criminal Cases


Sonja B. Starr

University of Michigan Law School

August 29, 2012

University of Michigan Law and Economics Research Paper, No. 12-018

Abstract:
This paper assesses gender disparities in federal criminal cases. It finds large gender gaps favoring women throughout the sentence length distribution (averaging over 60%), conditional on arrest offense, criminal history, and other pre-charge observables. Female arrestees are also significantly likelier to avoid charges and convictions entirely, and twice as likely to avoid incarceration if convicted. Prior studies have reported much smaller sentence gaps because they have ignored the role of charging, plea-bargaining, and sentencing fact-finding in producing sentences. Most studies control for endogenous severity measures that result from these earlier discretionary processes and use samples that have been winnowed by them. I avoid these problems by using a linked dataset tracing cases from arrest through sentencing. Using decomposition methods, I show that most sentence disparity arises from decisions at the earlier stages, and use the rich data to investigate causal theories for these gender gaps.

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c...act_id=2144002

I think domestic violence is bad regardless of which gender is the victim. I don't think men should be singled out as the perpetrators of domestic violence, at least in the USA, especially given that women make up the majority of non recipricol domestic violence perpetrators in the USA.

 

"Maybe it would be shown women do rape men every day"?

I don't know exactly what's wrong with you, and don't get me wrong, I'm not incredulous, because I've actually seen worse forms of ignorance and profound delusion in this Women's Rights section.

But intimating that women rape men at the deplorable rate that men rape women... is not only delusional and showing someone devoid of the ability to be rational, but it's also spreading the seeds of misogyny by avoiding and 'minimising' the rate at which men rape women by intimating women rape men at the same rate that men rape women.

Your analogy of rape is delusional in the extreme. I'd be appalled if it wasn't for the fact that I've heard as many equally delusional and loopy things in the Women's Rights section over the years.

Your credibility has dropped to zero with your comments regarding rape. It is a complete waste of time responding to anyone that doesn't acknowledge the seriousness of rape by intimating women rape men at the rate men rape women. And now I'm sorry I've wasted my time responding to your delusional, rubbish statement. But I won't bother again.

 

Yeah, domestic violence is really interesting. Getting your head pulverised or being raped.

Domestic violence is not a matter of it being 'interesting' - a sick notion in itself.

The statistics are there. The suffering is there.

The reality that women are the predominate victims of domestic violence, and you want to turn it into an excuse to bash feminists.

Thank God for feminism to counter the rampant idiocy.

 

Yes, it is obviously for feminists.

Of course feminists are interested in cases of domestic violence as tool to portray their politically biased image as reality. As I said before, when its comes to the murder of babies and infants committed by mothers who did not want the child feminists immediately change the sides from the defendant of the victim and become the most furious defender of the perpetrator. Outrage, that a woman who drowned her baby or kept it in the refridgerator can be charged by homicide.

It is pure political interest and if any sympathy at all plays a role, then only and solely for women who suffered this explicitely by men (violence in Lesbian relationships e.g. denied by them).

You dont need an excuse to bash feminists. You brought up the point of children involved - cause another study did not fit into your pattern and you were making the point that children are missing in this research - and I told you about police statistics here in Germany, how it is about child maltreatment. The reaction was very predictable, your drastic descritions of heads getting pulverised hush there and lets go back to the main point men are the perpetrators and females are the victims.

Its not about the meaning of words of "predominant" its about the switch from a radical law and order position based on the worst case scenario when it comes to male violence which switches into the radical apologetic or denial position when it comes to domestic violence by females. Of course its not that easy to turn that onto a male partner, but when it comes to child maltreatment or even killings we are in a completely different situation. I simply do not believe that anyone who switches so easily from radical law and order positions to apologetic positions in favor of the perpetrator (suddenly blinding out all the harm they did, which they portray joyfully in other cases) depending only on one factor - the gender of the perpetrator - it is about sympathy with the victims.

Do you think its no suffering when a baby is drowned by a mother? When such a mother is charged with homicide we have regular outcries of feminists here that it was of course because of a child bed depression, the case must be acquitted.

With all due respect to your own childhood and the behavior patterns that you saw, I am frankly surprised you haven't heard of any child who has been maltreated by a female who were expected to take care of the child and you seem to ban the BKA statistics at the fairy-tale edge. I know of numerous cases in my own environment. Maybe not the horror stories an experienced police expert could tell you, but it includes at least whippings, keeping children under an reversed bathtube in the small dark for a day or bringing ear drums to burst with a wire. I cannot say if the ratio is 50:50 or if there is one violent mother on two violent fathers, but your comments as if my phantasies are too vivid really surprise me.

 

40% of rapists are women.

http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pd...2010-a.pdf

http://it-goes-both-ways.tumblr.com/post...et-over-it

...and...

Sonja B. Starr

University of Michigan Law School

August 29, 2012

University of Michigan Law and Economics Research Paper, No. 12-018

Abstract:
This paper assesses gender disparities in federal criminal cases. It finds large gender gaps favoring women throughout the sentence length distribution (averaging over 60%), conditional on arrest offense, criminal history, and other pre-charge observables. Female arrestees are also significantly likelier to avoid charges and convictions entirely, and twice as likely to avoid incarceration if convicted. Prior studies have reported much smaller sentence gaps because they have ignored the role of charging, plea-bargaining, and sentencing fact-finding in producing sentences. Most studies control for endogenous severity measures that result from these earlier discretionary processes and use samples that have been winnowed by them. I avoid these problems by using a linked dataset tracing cases from arrest through sentencing. Using decomposition methods, I show that most sentence disparity arises from decisions at the earlier stages, and use the rich data to investigate causal theories for these gender gaps.

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c...act_id=2144002


...and... ad hominen attacks are the last bastion of a position that cannot withstand scrutiny

 

How can someone who has been a victim of domestic violence promote a campaign that ignores victims of domestic violence, entirely?

 

Condescension and belittling is something feminists have complained about for eons. Since it’s ok for a feminist to say something condescending and belittling to a man and it’s not ok for a man to say something condescending and belittling to a woman, your condescending and belittling comments are just another example of female privilege and matriarchy.

 

Condescension and belittling is something feminists have complained about for eons. Since it’s ok for a feminist to say something condescending and belittling to a man and it’s not ok for a man to say something condescending and belittling to a woman, your condescending and belittling comments are just another example of female privilege and matriarchy.

 

Guess what, everybody?

This thread is about: "Men Unite to Stand Against Violence Towards Women".

And they did. Thousands of men marched to stand against violence being perpetrated on women.

Yet seemingly the couple of men here are indignant and they STAND AGAINST the men who stand against violence being perpetrated on women.

As women... which men would we align ourselves with?

The men that march to stand against violence being perpetrated on women?

Or the feminist-obsessed men that rail against women?

The Police Commisioner and the entire police force are NOT what anyone would call 'feminsts'. Yet they led the march to stop violence against women. They know first-hand about domestic violence. They witness it every day. And their marching against violence towards women is born out of witnessing that violence every day.

And in a contest between the Police Commissioner, the entire police force and the Mayor vs these silly men that whine about feminists, I am backing the Police Commissioner, the entire police force and the Mayor. They are doing something positive and also inspiring. Whining about feminists misses the whole point and tries to minimise the reality and the travesty of domestic violence perpetrated on women.

I said many times in this thread that it is a 'minority' of men that perpetrate violence on women... but watch these silly men here get indignant and defensive as if it is THEY personally being accused of it (domestic violence) or something.

This is one of the rare - possibly ONLY Women's Rights issues ever raised in this section. The mainstay of this section comprises men coming here to whine about women.

Again - A thousand men united and marched to stand against violence being perpetrated on women. I take my hat off to these men. And I thank them.

 

I don't understand how someone who has been a victim of domestic violence can promote a campaign that ignores victims of domestic violence, entirely.

What could account for this hypocrisy other than sexism???

 

Actually you are wrong.

At best domestic violence is 50/50 with women being the perpetrators and men being the victims just as often as the opposite.

Pointing these facts out ( and they are facts ) is not supporting or defending violence against women.

 

Take it up with the Police Commissioner and the entire police force who led the march to end violence towards women.

The police see domestic violence every day. And they united to stand against violence towards women.

They know more than anyone else.

So take it up with them. They're not feminists - they are the police force - the witnesses to domestic violence every day.

 

Sonja B. Starr

University of Michigan Law School

August 29, 2012

University of Michigan Law and Economics Research Paper, No. 12-018

Abstract:
This paper assesses gender disparities in federal criminal cases. It finds large gender gaps favoring women throughout the sentence length distribution (averaging over 60%), conditional on arrest offense, criminal history, and other pre-charge observables. Female arrestees are also significantly likelier to avoid charges and convictions entirely, and twice as likely to avoid incarceration if convicted. Prior studies have reported much smaller sentence gaps because they have ignored the role of charging, plea-bargaining, and sentencing fact-finding in producing sentences. Most studies control for endogenous severity measures that result from these earlier discretionary processes and use samples that have been winnowed by them. I avoid these problems by using a linked dataset tracing cases from arrest through sentencing. Using decomposition methods, I show that most sentence disparity arises from decisions at the earlier stages, and use the rich data to investigate causal theories for these gender gaps.

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.c...act_id=2144002

 

Just because you disagree does not mean you are right.

Even the UN and WHO have studied and acknowledged that the crime of femal rape against men is as common as male rape against women.

One of the more insteresting studies along these lines cam out of Angola. In the civil war there many many people have become rape victims.

Somehow the female victims are supported from western nations. Clincs and shelters are being built using both private donations and public funding to help the female victims of this .

However not a dime is being spent to help the men who are rape victims and as it turns out such male victims are as numerous as the female victims. In addition only a little less than half of the perpetrators were women. This means a rape victim in Angola has close to a 50/50 chance of being a man and close to a 50/50 of being raped by a woman.

These studies and findings are not unusual to Angola they reflect what is going on world wide.

Yes it is slowly being realized that many rapists are women and many victims are men. We can split hairs all day long over the % points such as is it 56% male perpetrators and 44 % female or whatever but that is irrelevant.

What is relevant is that the traditional narrative of rape being a crime primarily committed by men against women is a FALSE narrative.

 

Can you link some of the material? It is very suprising to me and taken the definition our laws give here, I cannot imagine that. But different laws in different coutries give dozwns of definitions of "rape". I know that some coutries e.g. define a school teacher that has sex with a student as rape, where of course you can imagine a female teacher having sex with a male pupil is imaginable. Here it is not defined as rape (although of course illegal). The classic rape, a forced intercourse with physical violence is hard to imagine to be committed by one female on one man at all. Even if she overpowers him (which will be seldom the case), it will be close to impossible to force him into intercourse (I know some very few strange cases like this exist, but I think the danger to be striked by a lightning will be higher). If you take into account blackmailing or certain kinds of abuse or something like that, it can turn out to be different.

I think mass rapes in lawless situations are a different story from civilized countries with law state or at least a restored order, although I admit I would instantly think that the vast majorities of the perpetrator are males (victims I would not be too sure).

With the victims it is a different story, especially in war times, etc. With a huge amount of cases which the victims will never bring to the justice system because of shame or because there is no justice system (like in war situations) it will be very difficult to find out. There are rumors that in some prisons rape is so common that there is indeed a high percentage of rape victims male, but all that is mostly speculation.


In your example with Angola I dont wonder that the money is spent for female rape victims only, because you cannot celebrate yourself by stating you support the male victims of rape too, thats no topic thats "in", nothing you can build a political career on or else. In Haiti e.g. after the earth quake there were restrictions by some organizations to hand out food support only to women. Or another example how often did you see an international support for a man in Islamic countries like Somalia who have been sentenced to death by stoning for adultery? I have never seen one for the males stoned in Somalia or elsewhere in the Islamic world. There are topics which are "in" and which you have to stand for to keep your social status in society. I mean have you ever seen an oh so political correct man stepping back from a powerful highly paid position for the reason "Hey, there are too many powerful men and too few powerful women here, I will step back in favor for a woman"? I dont think you will find so many of that kind. But showing your political correctness by denying male earth quake victims food or spending money explicitely for female rape victims, its a good way, that does not hurt you too much.

This is a kind of event and self celebration gesture. Like such a march appears strange to me. Maybe some of the men protesting there are serious about it, but I mean its Australia, I doubt its socially accepted there to beat up your wife, but rather socially ostracized. In this case it is suspicious to me if high police officers take part in such marches. In Germany in the early 90ies there was an overwhelming wave of right wing extremism in the former GDR freshly reunited with West-Germany. There were more and more arson attacks - some even deadly - on immigrants and the politicians and many other officials organized light chains against that. I mean nothing against light chains and protest marches they can look really beautiful from above, but I have doubts that this reaction is more than self celebration. It did not prevent one of these deadly attacks as I doubt the protest march will prevent one case of domestic violence.

We in Germany have many of such campaigns too. The same media persons who support this give prices to rappers who sing about how cool they are raping women and stuff like that. A march of HipHoppers who confess "My textes were bull(*)(*)(*)(*), I was an (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*), its not cool to beat up your girlfriend!" would be a fine gesture, but I think such morality comes only along when you can self celebrate yourself and point with the finger at an anonymous mass. I am sure Göran Lindberg will have organized a lot of such marches in Sweden.

 

I guess you missed the point, which is that the narrative is what is out of whack.

We assume that world wide rape is primarily a male crime perpetrated on women.

There is no evidence to back this narrative up we just assume it to be true.

 

Tell that to the 200,00 'comfort' women raped and murdered by men. 'Comfort' for the soldiers that violently desecrated these poor women to the point of death.

http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/C/o/Comfort_Women.htm

 

The atrocities committed by the Japanese during WWII were horrific, but what do the atrocities committed by the Japanese during WWII have to do with portraying men as the only perpetrators of domestic violence and women as the only victims of domestic violence, while ignoring male victims and female perpetrators entirely?

 

18,587,000 mostly white men died fighting for the allies against the Japanese and other Axis nations during WWII to stop nations like Japan from committing atrocities like the ones you mentioned