Men Unite to Stand Against Violence Towards Women

It`s not the opposition to violence against women, that turns people off. It`s the narrow minded fanaticism, and the vindictive spite of those who most promote the feminist movement, that turn both men and women off.

 

Take it up with the Police Commisioner, the police force and the Mayor.

They led this initiative.

 

There is heartbreaking daily news of women being murdered from domestic violence.

A 33 year old mother of four has been stabbed to death in broad daylight in a shopping centre by her abusive de facto brandishing a fishing knife. She’d had a restraining order on him and they’d just attended a court dispute. He killed her a few minutes later. The man had a history of domestic violence against the woman.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/w...in-sunshine-20140416-36r85.html#ixzz2z6GgqeFG

 

Tom Meagher, whose wife was brutally raped and murdered in 2012, is becoming the face of White Ribbon:

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/t...ers-husband-20140426-zqzu9.html#ixzz2zyIjLjqw

Article by Tom Meagher for White Ribbon:

http://whiteribbonblog.com/2014/04/17/the-danger-of-the-monster-myth/

 

Can you tell us, what you wanna say by that?

I would agree that punishments for extreme violent crimes like such extreme rape cases or other serious injuries are not severe enough in many Western States. Strangely, many feminists fight in the front row when it comes to liberal laws condemning death penalty e.g. as a cruel atchaic punishment.

That guy served at least 8 years in prison for rape cases. I know killers who did not serve one day in jail for beating someone to death due to their juvenile age.

You can argue if 8 years are enough for such a horrible crime, but its rather close to the maximum you can get in a liberal Western state with exception of the US.

 

What I wanna say by that?

Did you read it through? The man you think may have served enough time for raping 5 women, was let out of prison, and went on to brutally rape and murder a young woman.

What is YOUR point?

I am highlighting Tom Meagher, who after his wife was brutally raped and murdered, got involved with White Ribbon - the subject of this thread.

 

In a number of threads in the Women's Rights section, rape is played down and some posters seem to ONLY want to discuss so-called disingenuous claims of rape victims. Sometimes it shocks me how the heinous crime of rape is regarded by some posters here.

Here, a stepfather has been charged with the rape and murder of a two-year-old girl:

 

Some Feminists on this forum support campaigns (such as the white ribbon campaign) that portray men as the only perpetrators of domestic violence and women as the only victims of domestic violence...


Woman admits to killing six babies...

Authorities say a Utah woman accused of killing six babies that she gave birth to over 10 years told investigators Monday that she either strangled or suffocated the children immediately after they were born and then put them inside boxes in her garage.
According to a probable cause statement released by police Monday, Megan Huntsman, 39, said that between 1996 and 2006, she gave birth to at least seven babies at her home and that all but one of them were born alive. The statement said each baby was wrapped in either a towel or a shirt, and placed in a plastic bag.


Police arrested Huntsman Sunday after discovering the seven dead babies at the home in Provo.
The Salt Lake Tribune reported that police were called to the house Saturday by Huntsman's ex-husband, who had discovered the body of a newborn infant who appeared to be at full term. Police obtained a search warrant for the house and discovered the bodies of six more babies packed in boxes in the garage.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/04/1...in-cardboard-boxes-in-garage/?intcmp=trending

 

When did they stop beating their wives?

 

Nowhere in this thread have I said women are the ONLY victims of domestic violence. But women ARE the predominate victims of domestic violence - particularly brutal / murderous domestic violence.
This thread addresses grave concerns of domestic violence against women and is also about the men who've stood up to march and advocate against this violence towards women.

For those concerned about domestic violence against men I suggest they start a thread about it.

 

When did WHO stop beating their wives?

What a useless, nothing post and I'm not surprised.

 

Since most men DO NOT beat their wives I just assumed that those guys were doing penance of some kind.

 

I'm not surprised you don't get it. And nowhere in this thread has anyone said most men beat their wives.

One of the guys you're assigning 'penance' to got involved with White Ribbon after his wife had been brutally raped and murdered by a man who'd previously raped 5 other women. He came to the decision to get involved with White Ribbon because he wanted to raise awareness and campaign against violence towards women.

So you don't get it and clearly you wouldn't march to advocate against violence towards women but other men would and they do. In the company of the men that campaign against violence towards women are the Police Commissioner, the police force and the mayor. You wouldn't march, and that's fine. Other men do. And they get it.

 

I would not agree that the punishment is severe enough. I would rather follow the example of Singapoere than that of Western Democracies, when it comes to law prosecution. I already stated that that in my opinion the punishment was not severe enough, you read that, but you thought it is better to lie about that stating that I think he served enough. As all feminists are liars and their propaganda is based on lies.

I dont know all the details, but at least the death penalty should at least be an option in cases like these.

It is stated in my comment. I want to hear one rational point from your side. The man had to serve 8 years in prison, we both know that this is quite close to the maximum in all Western states with the exception of some states of the US maybe. I want to have a consequent point of criticism from your side.

Is the penal system too liberal or not? Do you want to have longer prison terms and eventually the death penalty or not? Should juvelie offenders get harder punishments or not?

Mod Edit ~ Rule 2/Personal insult. Don't make it personal. I am not even trying to imagine what this husband made through because my sympathy isnt worth a (*)(*)(*)(*) for him. The only thing I can say is that if this man was executed in the first place now the life of this man would not lay down in ruins now.

Can you now tell whats your consequense? Beside spreading hate against men? And whats the benefit for Tom Meagher?

I made my point perfectly clear, you have to lie about my comment to confirm your world view of men sympathizing with rapists. Fine with me, you are a feminist, I did not expect anything else. How about now at least to answer my simple question? What would be your consequences of cases like this? I mean even you cannot state that a sadistic killer would have been impressed when 100 000 men more would have entered the streets joining the ridiculous march you mentioned or do you?

 

Oh I see, so now you move the goalposts.

I doubt whether a 5-time rapist cares much about those guys being aware that there is violence against woman because, after all, that is the point of criminal rape isn't it; to exact violence against a woman in order to gain power over them for twisted sexual gratification. A predator like that needs to be eliminated from the gene pool.

I would advocate for women to procure, carry and learn how to handle a concealed weapon because by the time the police arrive....It is too late. I would tell women to make sure it's 'too late' for the rapist instead. I would advise women to carry both pepper spray and a gun. Maybe even take some self-defense lessons. You're wasting your time with marching.

Oh yeah and you women are generally no match for the strength of a man. You are NOT equal in that category...be sensible and carry some kind of equalizer (see above).

 

The funny, ignorant, and idotic thing about this thread tittle, is it's blantent stupidty and sexism. Man are 90% the victims of homicide and assualts. How are the 10% (women) the one's most vunerable, the one's most needing help, the one's most needing a stand to protect them? This will only solve 10% of the violence.

Men are the one's most in need to "a stand against violence towards men" given that they're 90% the victims of assualts and homicides.

Men are far, far more likely to be hurt and or killed, so men are WAY more danger than women

 

To kind of summarise, one poster telling women how to protect themselves from rape but sending out no messages to the rapists in terms of cautioning, castigating them against raping and what they should do to stop raping. Who'd rather focus on telling women how not to get raped than to give a serve to rapists and caution them and tell them what not to do in order not to rape women. Sure, we put rapists to death as you say, then the next rapist and the next rapist steps up anyway. Where is your focus for how to prevent and circumvent the specific violent 'behaviours' associated to rapists? And how do we get to them before they rape anyone? Educate them? Rehabilitate them? Or what?

Another poster wants to go at me for misrepresenting him and calls me names apparently synonymous to feminists. I’m targeted for being a feminist and for raising domestic violence issues that are very specific to women. But you guys miss the point, anyway, it’s not about me and my feminism - it’s about domestic violence that is finally getting the attention and concern that it was meant to always have. Domestic violence is a criminal act, sometimes turning to murder, but for too long, domestic violence wasn’t recognised and acknowledged as that. Now it is, and now there are also men involved in advocating against violence towards women. Why don’t you take it up with these men instead of me? They lead White Ribbon, not me. If it bugs you there are men involved in White Ribbon and you don’t like them campaigning to advocate to stop violence towards women --- well, then, that says a LOT for you. Fine to dismiss them as some of you do, but they are proactive members of society doing more positive good than anyone that is wishing to knock and tear them and White Ribbon down. They’ve taken it up as their cause. And just as they’ve taken up their cause, you’re all free to take up yours – which seems to amount to not much more than deriding feminists.

 

Hit like a Girl:
Women Who Batter Their Partners
Theresa Porter

Abstract
Domestic violence by women represents a blind spot for western society. Since 1977, multiple
large scale international studies have demonstrated the women can and do beat, batter and murder
their male and female intimate partners at a rate equal to or higher than that of man, yet this issue
is not simply ignored but denied by society at large. Women’s use of domestic violence is
misrepresented by the media and denied by feminists, both of whom find the topic threatening.
Despite this gender symmetry in domestic violence, media representations display male
perpetrators 10 times more often than they display female perpetrators and when it is displayed, it
is usually shown as humorous. For the media and the society it caters to, domestically violent
women represent a failure of social control; women are not behaving in the expected manner. For
feminists, domestically violent women threaten the victim paradigm upon which much of Second
Wave feminist was based. This paper will examine the prevalence of domestic violence by women
against their intimate partners, explore the societal myths and gender dogma that both hides and
perpetuates this form of violence by women.

1. Introduction

2. Denial and misrepresentation in research

Yet if one were to ask most people, they would deny awareness of the extent of women’s
domestic violence in western culture. This is in part due to the denial and misrepresentation of the
issue by several groups, including Second Generation feminists, researchers and the media.
The discourse on gender symmetry in intimate partner violence by Second Generation
feminists often involves claims that women’s violence is less injurious than men’s violence, as if
this is a relevant issue. No one should be subjected to abuse, regardless of their physical strength.
This argument also ignores the women victims in violent lesbian relationships, where the
difference in body strength can be supposed to be less pronounced. Finally, it is important to recall
that women compensate for any discrepancy in size by using weapons more often than do men12.


3. Denial and misrepresentation in media and society

4. Consequences

[...] Ultimately, all violence is complex and multi-determined with individual, social and cultural
factors47. Women’s intimate partner violence occurs in the context of a significant double standard
about violence and gender, with women’s violence seen as funny or unimportant, or simply not
seen at all. It is somehow always circumstantial and beyond women’s control. It is time to move
beyond simplistic, dichotomous thinking and biased research and recognize all types of intimate
violence in order to stop it

 

Like I said before, for those concerned about domestic violence towards men I suggest they start a thread about it.

Assistant Commissioner Mark Murdoch is the New South Wales police spokesman on domestic violence and an ambassador for White Ribbon, the campaign to stop violence against women.

I stand with him and with the police force who march for White Ribbon and who KNOW domestic violence because they are exposed to it and deal with the grim facts of domestic violence every day:

 

I would call this a simple lie, dont you:

And such a move is very typical for feminists.

Thats not what I suggested. I told you IMO in a case of a sadistic serial rapist or other sadistic psychopaths there should be - in my opinion, which is not meaningful - an optian to sentence to death. I never spoke out that rapists in any case should be punished by death. There is a huge variety of rape cases, which depends on the definition of law anyway.

The case you "highlighted" here was no case of domestic violence, but this of a serial rapist and sadistic killer, who went for the women at random.

There will never be a world without rape, you can try to create an atmosphere in which they are unlikely you can try any form of crime prevention, but yes, the next rapist will step up anyway. The rapists of the next generation are born today. You can also ask how we could abolish violence or how we could abolish envy.

 

I have a theory that may prevent much violence and many rapes against women:

My theory is: if boys and men's suffering was seen as almost as important as girls and women's suffering there would be less rape and violence perpetrated by boys and men against women.

It's been my experience that most people treat people how they have been treated. Of course there are exceptions, but generally, I've found this to be true. If a boy is called a, 'whiner' or maybe, 'a loser,' or maybe some other term when he is suffering, I doubt this boy will grow up to be compassionate to the suffering of others, including girls and women.

 

I was referring to another poster who said rapists should be put to death, not you. I didn't say YOU said it.

I've read a number of your posts that convey your very definite and really, quite nasty opinions of feminists. So I have little interest to engage you beyond this post.

I read something different into the post where you say I misrepresented you. And in spite of you calling me a liar and whatever else, I apologise for reading something other than what you meant.

"There will never be a world without rape," you say. To which I respond, "All the more reason to be a feminist and to advocate against it."

I'll shake your hand and move on even if you don't wanna shake mine...

 

This post is wrong-headed on many levels. The amount of suffering that is perpetrated on a victim of rape... insurmountable.

I don't know why you're obsessed with mens suffering... but there is an answer for 'anyone's' suffering if they want help with it:

T H E R A P Y

 

The best way to 'circumvent' rapists is to eradicate them from the gene pool and the ONLY way to do that is to carry a gun and shoot them dead when you get attacked. Education and rehabilitation are futile because, by the time someone gets to the point of thinking they can rape another it's already too late. No amount of marching or pleading is going to stop a sexual predator. The threat of death is probably the only 'deterrent' for these psychotic and/or sociopathic predators. And again, most men are NOT rapists, most men are sensitive, loving human beings.

 

I agree. I think everyone should be taught self defense and how to use a weapon. I know a woman who was violently raped, I met her years ago on another forum. She carries a gun with her everywhere now. I don't think she should have to feel so afraid all the time, but she definitely is doing more than most by making an effort to protect herself from someone who doesn't give two flips about social morals.