Ministers & Senators that vote for the carbon tax are not true Australians

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  1. efjay

    efjay Well-Known Member

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    enough of the insults bugs..or i will start reporting you again .
    the issue is that it has never been proven that man made climate change is even real....
    yes the climate is changing but it has ALWAYS done so.
    So PROVE your claims.
     
  2. bugalugs

    bugalugs Banned

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    Yes they are.

    And yet each Australian person STILL produces far more pollution than the average Chinese person does.

    And China is STILL going to implement an emissions trading scheme.

    Why should Australians - the world's most polluting people get a free pass?


    And why do you keep saying this?
    "Its been proven that the carbon tax will do NOTHING to help the environment"

    Who "proved" this?
    Could you tell us please?
    Or apologise for lying.
     
  3. efjay

    efjay Well-Known Member

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    Any "savings" made here will be wiped out by china and india...so yes bugs it has been proven. Enough of your LIES thanks.
     
  4. efjay

    efjay Well-Known Member

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    You are not talking about CO2 in your example are you...please try again. Prove to us that man made AGW is real ( dont cite computer models thanks as we all know how they can only PREDICT not PROVE) And while you are at it PROVE that gillards carbon tax is going to
    a/ reduce total global emissions of co2
    b/ cool the planet by how many deg c.

    after you can do all this without LYING to us i may just do as you ask
     
  5. efjay

    efjay Well-Known Member

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    while you are at it can you please explain why the temp gauges the currupt ipcc relied on were placed in urban heat zones? there are even pics that prove some of the temp probes got put right next to runways....seems a bit silly dont it.

    please explain how placing the temp gauges where they did DIDNT produce corrupted data.
     
  6. dumbanddumber

    dumbanddumber New Member

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    Hey bugs:bump:

    China produces 30% of the worlds manmade Co2 emmissions.

    Australia produces 1.5% of the worlds manmade Co2 emmissions.

    Ofcourse per head they will be less than us they are 1.2 billion we are 23 million.:omg:

    Yes it has been proven that the carbon tax will not clean up the environment because it will become nothing more than dealing in carbon credits no one is going to give a stuff about actually cleaning the environmnt when there is money to be made.

    A flawed system that just will not work.

    What happened to direct action here in our homeland, why not spend that $1462 million ever year here at home.

    How will sending out $1462 million dollars per annum help our problem here in Australia.

    Wake up dude and take of your party blinkers FFS.

    Look at all the ETS schemes around the world they have been overwhelmed by fraud, Germany, Italy etc etc.
     
  7. congo

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    The carbon scam was based on invalid research.
    See the linked PDF here:

    http://www.ke-research.de/downloads/climateSaviors-1-1.pdf


    The scientific community at large must be dumbfounded by the "carbon religion".

    People, development and pollution are poised to destroy the natural world, this is obvious.

    Blaming Carbon and "taxing" it is a sideshow designed to blind you from
    the real problem and gain centralised control of our world by the perpetrators.

    Emerging nations should evolve into the largest industrial revolution ever,
    it would seem obvious based on their populations and desire to be like us.

    Who knows what plans they have for our stupid arses :p
     
  8. efjay

    efjay Well-Known Member

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    thanks for the link, i had a good read.
     
  9. Ziggy Stardust

    Ziggy Stardust Well-Known Member

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    What I don't understand, is how if you think anthropogenic climate change is a scam, you can reconcile that with supporting Tony Abbott? Who is on record, and has restating this countless times publicly, that he thinks man's emissions are contributing to climate change and has committed to the same emissions reductions as Labor. And in doing so, he will be using tax dollars, not on mining or energy companies, but from the general taxation pool to achieve this. A method which most economists say will cost significantly more than carbon pricing if he's to make the same emissions targets.

    Why is supporting Tony Abbott supporting inaction on climate change? Unless the assumption is that he has been lying to the public for years, and in fact does not intend to fulfill his promises?

    Also remembering that he was advocating for a direct carbon tax as opposed to Labor's carbon price only 2 years ago.
     
  10. bugalugs

    bugalugs Banned

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    Efjay has been asked this many times.

    He has so far been unable to answer.

    He tells us:
    I wonder why he wants to use tax payers money to pay polluters to fix a problem he doesn't even believe exists?!?!
     
  11. congo

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    I cannot understand how literate and presumably intelligent people can bicker
    about who supports whatever side of the corrupt government.

    Each side of the same coin puts up a clown as head of it's public face for us
    to vote for, and you can't accept that it's a two headed coin and we have Tails.

    It's a bad bet any way you toss it.

    These people aren't funny or entertaining. What has happened to your sense of humour?
     
  12. dumbanddumber

    dumbanddumber New Member

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    If it wasn't a scam Julia would have taken direct action here in our own country instead of handing our tax payer dollars to the UN, Wall st, and the central banks (financial terrorists) of the world.

    How can it not be a scam when these people are running the show, just look at what they are doing to the whole world right now.

    Yeah they couldn't impose austerity measures here in Australia because of the mining boom, but they gave us the second best thing for them a carbon tax thank you very much.

    You think Julia did this to clean up the world?????

    The question i want to ask you is.

    How can you not know it is a scam?

    When these types will be running the show, and how can you think they will worry about the environment when there is a quick buck to be made.
     

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