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  1. TOG 6

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    We're a Republic. All elections are state elections.
    Thus, the difference.
     
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    The people of WY do not vote in TX or CA or NY.
    They vote in WY.
    As such, they have exactly the same voice as every other voter.
     
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    How is that insane?
    How many western democracies popularly elect their head of government?
    Can you name 5?
     
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    Most of Europe, Africa & South America.
     
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    Recall that I said "Western democracies [that] popularly elect their head of government"
    You can't name 5.
     
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    I have already explained why this is an insane view. I won't waste time doing it again. Check my previous posts.
     
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    As I expected -- you cannot name 5 Western democracies that directly elect their head of government.

    Canada? Nope.
    UK? Nope.
    Germany? Nope.
    Scandinavia? Not one.
    Switzerland? Austria? Nope
    Australia? New Zealand? Japan? Nyet
    Israel? Italy? Greece? Nuh-uh.
    Ireland? Liechtenstein? Luxembourg? Nope.
    Japan? Poland? Spain? Portugal? Nope.
    Oh, I know!! South Korea! Taiwan! Oh wait - nope.
    France!!! Nope.

    Oh wait. Here;'s one. Turkey.

    How is it all those western democracies are "insane", but you aren't?
     
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    So this is what a third-degree burn looks like in text form?
     
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    Your characterization of the fact people in each state have the same voting power as everyone else in that state as "insanity" has no demonstrable rational basis,.
     
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    I am The Guiding Light to the Misbegotten; and while I can shine the Light of Truth upon them, they must choose to see.
     
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    I am not concerned how other countries conduct their elections. I don't live in those countries.

    It seems insane to me that we vote to elect a president, the votes are counted, and the candidate who receives fewer votes wins. In a democracy, the people should elect a president, not the state legislature, or a group of electors who may or may not follow the will of the people.
     
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    Especially when the HUGE majority of them run theirs in a manner similar to, or less democratically - than we do.
    Thus endeth your lesson.
    Your opinion doesn't matter.
     
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    You need to teach something before you can call it a "lesson." All your posts have taught is that you support the undemocratic system. Fine. The initial purpose for the electoral college was so the majority who were uninformed couldn't force a president on the country who wasn't qualified for the job. In Federalist 87, Hamilton writes that the electoral college was a process that “affords a moral certainty, the office of president will seldom fall to the lot of any man who is not in an eminent degree endowed with the requisite qualifications” The Founders wanted to ensure a middleman would be in place who had the education and information to insure an unqualified man would be chosen by the mob. Today, though, the electors don't perform that duty, and in some states, the electors are proscribed from changing the result of the mob. As a result, the uninformed, under-educated American pubic that spends most of its time watching crappy reality television choose a failed businessman who plays a tycoon on a crappy reality television show.

    And the country has paid a disastrous price.

    It sure doesn't matter as much as someone who lives in a "swing" state.
     
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    On the contrary - the lesson to you here is that Democracy, as you see it, does not exist.
    Anywhere.
    For a reason.
    You can choose to learn from this, or not.
     
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    Actually many countries use the two round system that results in the candidate who receives the most votes becoming president. There is absolutely no legitimate reason for a candidate to win an election despite receiving fewer votes than his or her opponent. The office of President is a national office and should be decided by the votes of the country as a whole.

    The electoral college was created because the founders thought regular men were too uninformed and too uneducated to pick a worthy leader. The irony is that despite the communication technology we have now, the voting body during the founding was probably FAR more educated and informed than the reality show addicted morons voting in America now. The electoral college no longer serves the purpose for which it was created and should be (but never will be) eliminated.
     
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    And, as we have seen, western democracies, with few exceptions, do not popularly elect their heard of government, and only a few more popularly elect their head of state.
    Indeed, some western democracies do not but their head of state to any kind of vote at all.
    Democracy, as you see it, does not exist.
    Anywhere.
    For a reason.
    You can choose to learn from this, or not.
     
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    As we learned in 2016, if a simple majority decided the president, Democrats wouod quickly isolate and forget middle America even exists. Why should they? Their vote would no longer matter. Only NY and CA and coastal cities would matter. Just like Hillary ignored the middle of the country so too would Dems from this day forward. They would let it rot because they wouod have zero ability to affect anything anymore. Who cares about their voice? You want a voice, move to coastal cities. We can take care of you there. Until another virus and you starve out and have your homes burned to cinder.

    Logic 101.
     
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    Politicians would probably prioritize cities over rural areas, but since cities are where most of the country lives, that would be natural and perfectly appropriate. It is the Congress and not the President who is supposed to represent the varied needs of particular places. The President is supposed to represent the needs of the whole country. Right now, the residents of a handful of states cast votes far more important than the residents of the rest of the states because of an anachronistic and anti-democratic creation that no longer fulfills its central function (if it ever did).
     
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    Again, I don't care what other countries do. I have made three main points: (1) the electoral college is anti-democratic, (2) I would prefer it be eradicated, although I know this will not happen, and (3) the electoral college no longer serves the function it was created to provide, evidenced by the fact that the electors allowed a woefully unqualified, fake business tycoon, dumpster fire of a fake reality television personality to ascend to the office of President. If the electors are not going to use their supposed superior knowledge and information to overrule foolish choices by the electorates they represent, they are abrogating their Constitutional responsibilities.
     
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    There's a reason democracy, as you see it, does not exist.
    All of those countries, including the US, understand this reason.
    Why don't you?
    Your opinion doesn't matter.
     
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    If anything good comes from this hypocritical power grab, it’s that Lindsey Graham loses his seat in Congress.
     
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    ... that the Democrats would not hesitate to duplicate - with your full support - if the situation were reversed.
    -There's- the hypocrisy in all this...
     
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    That would be delicious.
     
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