Mommy, is it safe to come out of the womb?

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  1. Cady

    Cady Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you read Coreen Costello's story, you would know her doctor refused to perform a caesarean section because it would have been dangerous for her.
     
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    And do you have personal experience to tell him he is wrong? What difference should it make that a woman want a late term abortion makedde? ARe you not PRO-CHOICE? Why does this partial, late term abortion mean anything to you?
    To find any compassion on this issue...one does not go to anything but pro-life sites for all the obvious reasons. Why would any pro-choice site show compassion? LOL
    Guttmaucher is biased...and so are all the other sites that champion abortion.
    How do you know ALL THE REASONS, why women want late term abortions. Don't you think it's a private decision? Why should your opinion matter?

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    Wow.....guess this is the closed to an answer I will ever get. LMAO

    So your position wants to deny a woman CHOICE...it is anti-woman.
     
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    Anders Hoveland Banned

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    She could have just had an induced labor abortion. The only reason they killed the baby was to put it out of its misery.
     
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    Because it's misogyny to believe that women would CHOOSE to have a late term abortion on a normal healthy fetus.
     
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    Then by law that would be murder...if it took a breath. Why do you think it is killed inside rather than outside the womb?

    The thing is, why do you want to kill something that you know would live? That the only thing separating that child from life is the womb. How did you ever come to believe that killing a full term viable child is ok to do?

    Pasithea....I wish you would change your position on this.I know your consistently for choice...but don't you see that this choice is bad?
     
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    Well they do. It happens all the time. These women are obviously only thinking about themselves and not their baby. They would do anything to get out of pregnancy. As to why they waited so long to get an abortion, there are a several potential reasons. Often it's that their boyfried breaks up with them, more often it's just pure stupidity.

    There are countless posts like this one where women are trying to get rid of their 28 week old babies:

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20111202190622AAdTQff

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110414062911AA4kV6o

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120112184950AAl47N0

    http://ca.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120125204611AAkpRZ6

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20111215172132AAzGNIi
     
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    This is not a statement of my position, it's the law.
     
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    No it's not...it should reflect your position. Choice. The choice that a woman would have to end her pregnancy. Your position denies her this right. What right do you have to deny someone choice, the ability to decide for themselves what the future might hold for them?
     
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    You said..."No woman has a right to a pba except to save her own life. You want to take that away?"

    You did not mention anything about the law. This the way stated is your opinion.
     
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    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Provide evidence that "it happens all the time." You think saying "women are obviously only thinking about themselves" (all the time) and women do things from "pure stupidity" (all the time) doesn't reveal misogyny?:eyepopping:
     
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    Costello said,
     
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    If it were my opinion, I would have said "I believe..." No woman has a right to a pba except to save her own life because it is ILLEGAL.
     
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    My position denies no one choice. I know that women DO NOT CHOOSE late-term abortion without good reason, i.e. medical reasons. They DO NOT, so why do we need a law against something that does not happen? Possible exceptions could be women who did not know they were pregnant. Why the obsession with late-term abortions anyway, you do know that only a tiny number of them happen?
     
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    In an ideal world this would be the case, but sadly there are PLENTY of women out there willing to have their babies killed for their own selfish reasons.

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090404130850AAjiPno
     
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    What proof do you have that this was written by a "selfish woman," rather than a rabid pro-life zealot trying to make a point by deception? NONE
     
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    LOL! First a plastic doll and now "ACTUAL" CARTOONS and DRAWINGS of "partial birth abortions!!!

    ACTUAL cartoons and drawings!!!

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    I have posted actual pictures before, but the forum administrators have just deleted them.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/abortion/250816-foeticide-holocaust-babies.html

    In fact, they deleted an entire thread, "saline abortions: a-salting the baby", because I posted graphic pictures in the opening post.
    (even though there was no blood and the baby was not dismembered, the skin was grotesquely disfigured, due to the corrosive effects of the baby having been pickled for 15 hours after a concentrated saline solution was injected into the amniotic sack)

    So you will have to be satisfied with diagrams and illustrations.
     
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    Your position denies women choice, it most certainly does. You want restrictions on what women can do...in this case late term abortion. Who are you to presume what a woman would want? Canada has no restrictions....why shouldn't we based on the pro-abortion position follow their lead?
    You have told me in the past...that if abortion was made illegal...the same amount of abortions would still happen. That women would find a way to solve their pregnancy problems. Yet now you say we need a law to prevent women from doing what you say NO WOMAN WOULD EVER GET ANYWAY. The thing is...late term abortions are done illegally. This is fact. The women who went to Gosnell...went for late term abortions. Do you honestly think that Gosnell is the only doctor who might have done this, or would do this? Naive thinking. It does go on...and there are women who would get them. We have a poster here who is for no restrictions on abortion. The entire country of Canada has no restrictions on abortion. So they believe obviously that there are women who would need this service. But you think no woman in America would ever do this? How can you say this? So because YOU say no woman would ever want a late term abortion, they should be illegal. LOL But then why are you trying to decide for all women? What gives you this right to impose your views on others?

    The fact is you have no idea how many women get late term abortions. They are illegal...so if women want them it is harder to find someone who will do them.
    Looked at the botched late term abortions......don't you think legality would make this easier for woman to kill their viable children easier? What is it you people want....clean and safe?
    You have no idea how many women might come forward and abort in the third term...and is it your business? Should you decide based on your idea of the world...what other women would or might do?

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    Yea Anders the truth in pictures....not allowed on this forum....gee I wonder why? No bias.....yea. LMAO

    Censured and tossed out.
     
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    These don't phase you a bit do they? The fact is...these represent what the doctor actually does. Anders has posted real pics...that were taken off by staff.
    ARe you denying this is not how its done?
     
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    They are only done to save a woman's life, and when the fetus has no chance of survival. Coreen Costello could not have a caesarian section. What would you have her do?
     
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    Let me state this for the hundredth time. Your position does deny choice...the choice of the woman WHO DISAGREES WITH YOU, THE WOMAN WHAT WANTS TO GET A THIRD TERM ABORTIONS. The fact that you don't support her decision is the reason why women all over the country are dying from botched third term abortions.
    The numbers of women who would do them...does not matter...its the womans rights that do based on your pro-abort position.

    We are in the process of legalizing gay marriage all over the country? Why do this...a very very small percentage would do this. What tiny percentage in the country does this even involve. Yet I would bet my bottom dollar you would want them legal. LOL
    Numbers don't matter.... but rights do according to the pro-abort position and yours.. denies women the right to choose for THEMSELVES.....what action they want to take. I will explain again...why I bring this up. LOL Read the threads...I have stated this over and over...guess I am the only one who misses stuff right? LOL

    I bring up late term abortion to those who tell me that I have no right to want to deny women CHOICE. I bring this up to people who say abortion should be legal because it should be a private decision between them and their doctor. I bring this up to people who say that I am bringing my personal bias, personal religion into the equation. I bring this up to show that the position is hypocritical...because those who want to deny an abortion to a woman in later terms are doing the same thing they tell me I have no right to do. Anyone who wants abortion legal...and then denies a woman choice...based on their own morality....is a hypocrite...who holds a hypocritical position. And I want to make clarification here....As far as I know Pasithea is the only one who does not fall into this category as he does not want to deny women CHOICE. The rest of you do.
     
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    Provide evidence that there are PLENTY of women who would choose to have late term abortion. It's a misogynistic statement. Your question/quote was written by someone like you who doesn't realize that women don't voluntarily choose late term abortion.
     
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    What the mods do is NOT up for discussion but you presented them as "Actual partial birth abortion caught on film, be warned"""


    Which is NOT the truth.
     
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    Doesn't exist.....


    Evidence? Remember from "all over the country."


    No, you bring up late-term abortion in any context because you think you have discovered a winning tactic. It does not matter whether late-term abortion is legal or not because women don't choose them, and the tiny number performed proves that.
     

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