More Americans Say Boots Are Needed on the Ground to Fight ISIS

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  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Exactly, which is why I request that they stay at home and protect us. ISIS may be a legitimate threat to IRAQ and while we might AID the Iraqis in fighting them our troops should stay at home to protect us. This bs that we have a legitimate right to attack people because they MAY attack us is idiotic and must cease. By that logic we should be attacking Britain and Denmark
     
  2. Nightmare515

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    Theres a different between someone who MAY attack you and someone who is threatening to attack you and actually has the means to do so. Are you suggesting that the US should always stay at home and only retaliate if we are attacked on our own soil? Preemptive measures are always better than retaliatory ones. If someone is standing outside of my house with a gun saying hes going to kick my door down and shoot my family Im going to go outside and kill him BEFORE he kicks the door down and shoots my family. Im not going to wait until AFTER he kills my family to justify killing him first.
     
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    It would be nice to have less unilaterality and more global agreement and participation in these actions. And even then, why are we supporting antiquated, authoritarian forms of government and tolerating inhumane living conditions and punishments in countries like Saudi Arabia and China while getting all worked up about others for similar reasons? Less hypocrisy and more life-preservation rather than military BOOM BOOM!, please.
     
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    No. We stopped drafting because there was enough volunteers to fill the quotas. And these brave men and women come from families which means many Americans do have skin the game even they aren't serving themselves. That false analogy is getting really old.
     
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    I agree 1000%...some countries are punished for their abuses but others like china and russia and get a free pass as do smaller counties who enjoy political alliances with the permanent members of the UN security council, like saudi's and n korea...
     
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    Jonsa: "And Democrats need to understand that many republicans have absolutely no idea what Americans want, let alone any interest."

    Sadly, the Democrats know full well that Americans want honest elections but they don't care. The Democrats know full well that Americans want the border secure and want President Obama to quit bringing illegal immigrants to the U.S. to live off our taxpayers but they don't care. Democrats know that more Americans oppose Obamacare than support it but the Democrats simply don't care. The Democrats know that Americans think admitting people from Liberia into the U.S. as unprepared as the government is, is a bad idea but the Democrats don't care.

    There is absolutely nothing about Americans or America that interests the Democrats except into "fundamentally changing" America into....something they won't talk about.
     
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    You got a percentage of rich and middle class kids in the military, as compared to 1968? They probably don't have those stats today. For it would reveal that you are wrong.

    We recruit heavily in the poor areas. I read my local paper. It lists those that have enlisted. Since I know all of the better off people here, for it is a small town, I don't see anybody but poor folks enlisting. Is my area an anomaly? Hardly.

    I served with a cross section of America. That is certainly not the case today, for we no longer draft. So, the rich folks don't have to worry about their kids as they check their stocks in the corporations making war goods.

    Most of the people in my area that join the military is out of need for an income. Thanks to the oligarchs. The not haves are dying for the haves. I am not talking about officers, but enlisted men.

    Too many of us are like the frog being cooked by the heat being slowly turned up. And live in nonreality.
     
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    Correct, thats the way it has always been, the cannon fodder has traditionally come from the poorest class, the undereducated ,unemployed and under employed...there are exceptions, but even in my family, the educated ones went into officer training, the rest went into cannon fodder class...
     
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    When I was an NCO I asked my new Privates all the same question. Why did you join the Army? I asked them to tell me the honest truth. About 1/4 of them flat out said they did it for the money or for the college benefits. The others said they did it because they wanted to serve. I was in combat arms, if you want to join the Army for the money you don't sign up for combat you sign up for support.

    You said it yourself that they don't have those stats today. But its border line insulting to insist that most of those who choose a career to put their lives on the line for their country are only doing it for the paycheck. Again I would make literally twice as much money working my civilian equivalent job than I do working my military one. But I choose to stay here, and I know plenty of other people who do the same.
     
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    That some americans are wanting boots on the ground is proof they live in a non reality. There is something bad wrong with a nation that must keep an enemy to fight in their back pocket. If you include the war on drugs, we have been at war for my entire life times. Something is creating the need to go to war, time and time again. This isn't what a nation is supposed to do, unless they are a war monger, which of course we are. And the American people accept it, and cannot see through this illusion that is our reality. Ike spoke of the industrial military complex, and he knew exactly what they would do in keeping America in never ending wars. And we wonder why so many in the world hate us. Hell, look in the mirror.

    We are the Dark Empire, which makes americans citizens of the dark empire. How can anyone say this is not so? You would have to ignore what we have done, and continue to do, or have such a distorted perception that we should be in a nut house somewhere, being watched so we don't hurt ourselves.
     
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    But people can tell anything you want hear if ask them straight out...that question can only be asked and answered anonymously
     
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    Different motivations at work for sure...politicians looking for funding from industry will encourage more war machines and military bases, that in turn creates employment for his/her voting base...war is good good business not so good for those who enlist in good faith to fight those wars...
     
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    ISIS is killing our citizens, approaching a NATO country and have the stated goal of taking Mecca and Istanbul. Add to that the atrocities that they admit too and advertise in their own online magazine I am flabbergasted that any of you can be against us putting an end to this group. They are evil and I do not use that word lightly, in fact I have not used that word to describe any current political actor until now. What they are doing needs to be stopped and it will only be stopped when good men stand up and say no more. I dont care if we team up with Iran, Assad, Russia, or Hezbollah, those people are at least rational. ISIS is a threat that should not be ignored.

    Go on look up their online magazines they have four issues out right now. Read them then come back and talk about it. I dare any of you to do so and not be in complete agreement by the time you are done.
     
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