Musk helps Russia in Ukraine War

Ukraine tried for the first time to use uncrewed surface vessels against Russian vessels in Sevastopol Bay in September 2022, but 70 kilometres from the target, the connection with billionaire Elon Musk's Starlinks was lost. It was not possible to persuade Musk to turn back on the connection, so Ukraine modified the drones.
"Fedorov tried to persuade him, but Musk did not listen. Our people also tried to resolve the situation through their channels, but the Americans said that it was a private company, and they couldn't put pressure on it."

 

Apparently X is rampant with ruZZian trolls and bots now too, since he gutted content moderation. Such a shame. X enables modern Nazis and Musk is at the head of it. He is tainting his reputation and legacy, but also showing us all who he really is. He was better off leading cool tech companies and staying out of social media.

 

Yep...I've noticed lotsa wingnut comments from questionable accounts on X.

 

I end up hearing about it from others since I don't spend much time there myself. Peter Zeihan has commented about it more than once already.

 

Imo while each private company can choose to help Ukraine in such matters as they feel like, to have a prearranged agreement of cooperation in this manner be, seemingly purposely sabotaged, affects operations in real time, influencing by definition, success or failure of those operations which can influence the war, which in turn affects our involvement both militarily and economically currently and in the future.

If there is no legal recourse for our govt to do anything about it now, it is what it is but they need to create that legal recourse asap cause if this is true then it’s BS.

 

Musky is aiding and abetting war crimes by fiddling with Starlink & screwing with Ukraine's ability to use it.

 

Musk just needs to turn off the entire Starlink connection over ukraine and let slava nazis figure it out themselves.

 

Day 678 of 3 day op....how's it going Bill?

 

The OP is completely wrong and repeating a long debunked smear. Starlink doesn't offer service in occupied Crimea due to the sanctions as it would be illegal for it to offer the service there. The U.S. government did not ask the. To extend service there nor did it offer a sanctions waver to do so. It was the Ukrainian government which requested Starlink break U.S. sanctions laws but the company's legal department said doing so could result in them becoming disqualified for U.S. government contracts so they declined.

Sadly, many hyper partisan leftists have become so obsessed with lying that they just invent false hit pieces in the media.

 

If you think Musk is taking any actions at all in Ukraine without 100% collaberation with and direction from US DOD and State Dept, I got a bridge to sell ya.

 

I suggest you get your story straight.

 

See above

 

My understanding of the story is a bit different. Basically, Musk wanted to provide internet for civilian purposes, but wanted to be neutral in the conflict. The Ukrainian military had been using starlink with great success, and Russia persuaded Musk that he needed to actively stop the military from using starlink because of bullshit fears of WW3. So basically, he was unintentionally helping Ukraine at first, and then cut off that help with pressure from Russia. I wouldn't call it helping Russia so much as trying to be neutral. I mean, there is a good guy and a bad guy in the conflict, but to say he was trying to help Russia isn't quite right.

This article gets into some of the nuances I glossed over. Cost was another issue. The man was directly manipulated by at least one phone call from Putin. Elon Musk’s Shadow Rule | The New Yorker

 

Doesnt appear to be anything 'above' that addresses Musk's actions in Ukraine obviously being directed by the US Govt... to what are you referring?

 

I was referring to the get your story straight link in the above.
Russian President Vladimir Putin – whom Musk claimed to have personally spoken to, then later denied this – and other Russian officials showed appreciation for Musk following Western media backlash over his denial of Ukraine's request to enable Starlink in Crimea for drone attacks on Sevastopol.

 

Musk is going too far by interfering with government policy.

 

You've got that backwards.

If you want to give all your remaining freedoms to the MIC and government con artists, be my guest, but don't include me.

 

....that's probably about right actually...Starlink as a corporation has shareholders who may or may not want to have an exposure to the Ukraine war; does subscribing to the business terms of agreement come with caveats? Likewise, if through the direct use of Starlink there is property damage or loss of life does Starlink incurr a contingent liability and does their liability insurance provide coverage for such contingencies should someone want to sue them? I have no idea but I'm sure there are lawyers that would be prepared to have a pop at it! Also, if you are in the Starlink compliance/risk mitigation team then I assume they have thoughts about their satellite system's being used to banjax high valued kit belonging to a belligerent power, and that power having the capability of smacking the crap out of your satellites in space should they so wish! Again, does Starlink have the requisite loss of use/contingency/business interruption policies in place that could cover them or sufficient capital/capability/redundancy to absorb such potential loss of it's satellites and systems?

As much as I want the Ukes to f**k the russians five ways from sunday I kindda get the issues the Starlink people could potentially have.....anyway....back to normal viewing
Cheers Bill

 

It was never on in Sevastopol bay.

 

?????? Uhhhh The US government is free to provide Ukraine satellite connectivity over Sevastopol bay. They have not. Would seem that is US government policy as well.

 

??????? Starlink is who is providing all of Ukraines satellite connectivity, over Ukrainian territory. Ukraine has been using it to great effect.

 

Nonsense. He didnt "cut off" that help because he never provided it over
Sevastopol bay. AND he specifically provided satellite connectivity over Ukrainian controlled territory so they could wage war in defense in Ukraine.

 

I didn't know it was providing all the internet connectivity....anyway......yup many users worldwide have signed the user agreement....how many are targeting Russian assets? I have no idea or how this interferes with any user agreements, do you?

 

Starlink isn't active in Russia and hasn't been. He didn't disable anything to assist Russia.
He only refused to enable starlink in Russia so that Ukraine can engage in offensive strikes. He is helping Ukraine defend itself but not attack other countries.

I think that's a good hard line to have.

 

You have no idea what you are talking about. Starlink is not a military weapon. I'd ask why doesn't our military have their own satellites to assist Ukraine to bomb Russian territory? Probably because that would be an act of war on the part of the USA. But you expect a citizen to do it?