Musk helps Russia in Ukraine War

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  1. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    The Senate Committee on Armed Services launched an investigation on Starlink operations in Ukraine, citing "serious national liability issues" that have been exposed, and with the goal to ensure that US national security interests are protected. US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said letting billionaires taking decisions for national partners and allies was "unacceptable" and he was going to dig into it.
    SpaceX executives have declined to extend Starlink availability at the Russian-occupied territories of Ukraine like Crimea.
     
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    Blinkin and the US, without Elon, could simply provide internet access to Ukraine. One might ask why the US didnt do so when Putin took down Ukraines internet access.
     
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    I don't think the US has that capability without Starlink.
     
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    :yawn: :yawn: :yawn:

    Trump's nonstop lying is well known.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-fact-checker-tracked-trump-claims/2021/01/23/ad04b69a-5c1d-11eb-a976-bad6431e03e2_story.html

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/trump-lies-false-presidency-b1790285.html

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_or_misleading_statements_by_Donald_Trump

    Because Trump lies and he speaks for a lot of Republicans, is it okay to generalize about Republicans?
     
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    You don't think our military has its own independent wireless network capabilities?

    C'mon, really?

    Of course it does. Now its likely that sharing this network with Ukraine could compromise its security, and that's likely why they are directing Musk to provide Starlink there instead.
     
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    I assume you have evidence for that.
     
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    Musk like many Americans do not support the war. Good for Musk.
     
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    If true and the US is refusing to provide this capability to Ukraine then does it mean the US is helping Russia?
     
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    You know the military has satellites, right? What do you think they're for?

    "In addition to their capabilities as a surveillance tool, US military satellites also serve as a crucial link for communication and coordination between personnel on the ground and those in command. By providing a secure, reliable, and uninterrupted source of communication, satellites ensure that military personnel remain in contact with each other, even in remote and hostile environments."

    A Comprehensive List of US Military Satellites and Their Capabilities (ts2.pl)
     
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    In other words, you have no idea whether the US military can cover Starlink's functions.
     
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    Oh no, Im sure it can. I just can't tell you exactly how, and likely no one else can either because the details of such things are often classified. But rest assured, our drone bombers flying around on the other side of the planet are not being remotely piloted by Musk's or any other civilian's network. Thats just not how our military operates.

    And they could share that network with Ukraine. That would be dumb and very likely compromise the network... which is why Ukraine gets to use Starlink instead.
     
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    The Ukrainian were asking for access to GPS guidance networks. Yes, the US has had this since at least the 1970s if not the 1960s. No, Ukraine does not have access to the military GPS network of the US this why they use civilian networks like Starlink.
     
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    Why would you quote Blinken on anything related to foreign policy ... His job is to lie ? its what he gets paid to do .. with a straight face? This is like asking Trump about his taxes and expecting the answer to be truthful.

    Musk - for the purposes of the war - is a US operative .. and if Musk was to help Ukraine .. this would be viewed the same as the US helping Ukraine .. and the US is not currently allowed to help Ukraine target the Motherland .. this is current policy .. and Musk giving GPS access would violate that policy.
     
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    Shame on you for going there to read that tripe. :)
     
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