Muslim Justice - Iranian version

Two Iranians have been sentenced to death for persistent consumption of alcohol under the country's Islamic Sharia law, which forbids the use, manufacturing and trading of all types of alcoholic drinks.

Any beer consumer in the world be aware ! you will die on the third beer !

And those poeple claim to be "just". When will the world awaken ?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jun/25/iranian-pair-death-penalty-alcohol

 

Yes, Iran has strict laws concerning the use of alcohol; this is similar to how some non-Muslim countries have their own strict laws concerning other types of drug use.

 

Is this the reason for the United States to execute 20,000 Iranian people?

Drinking beer.

 

No it is not !
You dont bother to show where there is a death penalty for drinking other than in Iran.
You did not even bother to show where in the western world there is a death penalty and people get the death penalty for other drug use.

Anyways, it is good to know you are one of the people who think it is right to kill someone for drinking a beer.
It is for the majority of humanity who enjoys a beer once in a while and who thinks that killing people for something like this is a crime against humanity itself.

 

which non-muslim country has a death penalty for using drugs?

 

Calling death penalty "strict laws" is an understatement of the century. The question is though, do you condemn these Sharia laws? Or because Iran threatens Israel with annihilation you are more than willing to overlook (and excuse) millions of crimes, acts of barbarism and savagery committed by the theocratic government of Iran against its own people?

 

They say drinking eventually kills you. In Iran, they take it more literally than most.

 

They dont have gays as well. I guess that had been taken more literally as well.

 

How so?

That's because I never claimed so.

That's because I never claimed so.

I didn't comment on whether it was 'right' or not; most of what you've done in your reply is put words in my mouth, and that's not nice at all.

Anyway, in some American states, the mere possesion of small quantiies of marijuana- a drug that is considerably less harmful than alcohol- can get one thrown in prison for multiple years (not to mention being required to pay a hefty fine). This shows you that there are strict and stupid laws everywhere.

 

I never claimed some non-Muslim countries have a death penality for using drugs.

 

actually this isnt true. in states where weed is illegal, if you are caught with "small quantities" you will get a fine. there is nobody that is in prison here for having possession of a small quantity. to go to prison you need to be caught dealing, and usually more than once. if there are guns or violence involved then your likelihood of going to prison increases.

 

Hmm, perhaps I should have researched this a bit further; anyone is free to refer to the following link for more information:

The Five Worst States to Get Busted With Pot

 

ya for the oklahoma case your article is referencing manufacture and distribution. that isnt generally a small quantity. texas references a maximum of 180 days in jail but thats not prison and sounds like if youre a repeat offender then you might get the maximum of 180 days. without researching im betting its mostly fines since jail over crowding a big issue in the states. florida sounds ridiculous if that really is their laws... a maximum of year in jail for possession on first offense? do not smoke pot in florida lol. however im betting they save maximum sentencing for repeat offenders. pretty much same story for the other states. i will admit those 5 states have harsher penalties than i thought we had here, but still not as harsh as you were claiming earlier.

 

There's a point here that people seem to be overlooking. It's their friggin country.

They can put whatever laws into place that they like. For a number of years the US had outlawed alcohol altogether. Leave them to make their laws and implement them. Do you really want China to start objecting to US gun laws?

It's a relatively simple principle, if it doesnt affect you, leave it be. The same principle I use when my neighbor gets smashed and has loud sex with his wife. I put in earplugs and go back to sleep.

 

The question is, do you do the same when he pick up 8 years old children from the street and rape them ?
Do you still put earplugs and go to sleep ?

 

Iran isn't invading Afghanistan or Iraq(we did that). Your metaphor fails to hold water, it's more akin to the man breaking a jar in his house. And again you miss the point. Their land, their laws, their people. Sure we think the laws are stupid, but there are a number of US laws I think are stupid, doesn't change that they'll be enforced.

 

Death sentences for alcohol consumption is akin to breaking a jar? Wow!

PS do you think all international human rights and humanitarian organizations monitoring and reporting such incidents should disappear and let totalitarian/theocratic regimes all over the world deal with their people the way they see fit? How very progressive of you.

 

They're rather pointless serving only to give an excuse for larger nations to invade smaller ones. They lack any power to make China, the US, Russia or other powerful nations actually abide by human rights, so what is the value? There have been calls on the Israeli's to change their policy for years from these humanitarian sides, no change, no good.


PS: Still not responding to my point, so I'll try one more time. Their country, their laws, their people. Their enforcement. NOT OURS.

 

Yes, and we have every right to expose, criticize and condemn their laws if they are inhumane. Which is precisely what this thread is all about.

 

Right, and certainly not in order to invade a country because of it, like the other responder hinted here.
He thinks there are only two ways of dealing with states, ignore them or invade them.
While there are many more ways of dealing with other countries that he may be missing.

 

In terms of foreign policy, I agree.

In terms of social commentary, I don't see anything wrong with expressing criticism.

 

Amazing. Jesus preformed his first miracle at a wedding by changing water into wine. Of course the object is not to overindulge.

Believe it or not, Muslim taxi drivers in southern VA refuse to pick-up anyone at a bar as well as anyone going to/from an ABC Store.

 

Now I wonder how exactly Muslims claim he is their holy figure and god messanger as well while placing death penalty on anyone who driks the wine.

 

Interesting, isn't it?

One of Iran's biggest cities is Shiraz - a name known better in the west as a type of wine.

A number of Muslim countries produce their own brands of beer, and also some fine wines.

How a society interprets religious texts depends on a number of things.

some of the earliest american settlers were members of an extremist sect who banned singing (other than hymns), dancing, and who impsed the death penalty for fornication and adultery.

Religion may be used to justify gross violations of human rights, but by itself it isn't the cause.

I find that when I read articles like this, to me it just points to the fact that oppressive regimes are indeed that - and the more oppressive they are, the more people in these countries are likely to accept that the above is a "just" punishment. I am not sure what the answer is. In recent years, every time people are "liberated" from oppressive regimes there is no escape from barbarity.

But its harder for me to look at countries like the US, which is alone among western nations in having the death penalty, with rates of imprisonment higher than in any other nation. And yet the US holds itself up as a beacon to other nations.

interesting.

 

inhumane? We blow up civilians in foreign countries and then pretend they were militants. How is that humane?