Netanyahu says "no one will stop us" in Gaza

Uh huh. Israel dropped more bombs in a couple weeks than the US dropped in an entire year at the height of the Afghan war. That cartoon is nowhere near correct. The rockets Hamas use are peashooters compared to the ordnance Israel drops.

 

Exactly! I believe US, France, Germany, Egypt, Saudi Arabia would not react if their cities were bombed by such 'peashooters' missiles.
So why Israel reacted? I think this is the best explanation:

The world really likes good Jews who do not commit any acts of violence, who are philosophers, poets, scientists or writers and then end up in the chambers of Auschwitz. Good Jews, Jews without violence, are dead Jews and this is what the world likes, sometimes even loves and sometimes even sincerely, but good Jews are dead Jews. To stay alive, Jews also had to hurt and kill, and they did. And the world doesn't like these Jews. This means that living Jews do not live up to the world's expectations of them, and therefore they deprive themselves of some of their right to remain alive. Israel is the only country in the world about which serious politicians can say that due to its policies it has lost its legitimacy, it has lost its right to exist, as if these living Jews, with all the evil that they also cause, existed only conditionally with the consent of the world that allows them to continue living , even though the natural state of a Jew is to be dead. Well, Israel is a complete, fundamental, categorical rejection of this way of thinking.
Konstanty Gebert, pen name Dawid Warszawski

 

Day 155 (and counting)

https://mondoweiss.net/2024/03/oper...9&utm_campaign=Daily+Headlines+RSS+Automation

"At least eighteen children have died in Gaza from malnutrition, while deaths by starvation have risen to 23. Meanwhile, the Pentagon announced that Biden's proposed floating pier would take two months and 1000 U.S. troops to build..."

"Casualties:

• 30,960+ killed* and at least 72,524 wounded in the Gaza Strip.
• 424+ Palestinians killed in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem**
• Israel revises its estimated October 7 death toll down from 1,400 to 1,147.
• 587 Israeli soldiers killed since October 7, and at least 3,221 injured.***"

Which global autocrat has compared Netanyahu to Hitler?

"Erdogan: 'Netanyahu earned his place alongside Hitler and Stalin'

"In another bout of fiery remarks, Turkish President Erdogan, who has refused to condemn Hamas's October 7 attacks, compares Netanyahu to fascist leaders and Israel akin to a war criminal state."

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-791070

 

that's not many at all

 

How many is too many?

"Gaza: 10,000 children killed in nearly 100 days of war"

https://reliefweb.int/report/occupi...aza-10000-children-killed-nearly-100-days-war

 

1,000

 

Just making up your own reality I see. Even the US Government acknowledges the casualty numbers.

https://thehill.com/policy/international/4301551-gaza-deaths-likely-higher-than-cited-us-official/

 

Genocide IS a dehumanizing process.

You moan about the Israeli death count when the Palestinian death count at the hands of Israel has always been orders of magnitude higher.

 

I think even one innocent child killed it too many, but the question is who is responsible for the killing.
Israel warned civilians telling which areas will be bombed, but Hamas was forcing people so stay there, so who should we blamed?
Hamas kept in civilian houses arms and ammunition, so who should we blame for Israel destroying those houses which posed threat to its soldiers?
Hamas are not complete idiots, they knew what will be Israeli response, so who should we blame for Israel responding to Oct 7 attack?
Hamas is hiding in underground tunnels built under civilians structures, so should we blame Israel for wanting destroy this Hamas hiding places, even if it means destroying civilian buildings which guard entries to these tunnels?
Conclusion - Hamas knew what will be the civilian cost of the war and decided that Gaza civilian population must pay it. Even now Hamas leaders repeated few times - they will continue with attacks similar to Oct 7 attacks.
And what? And every one is constantly blaming Israel, knowing that Hamas surrender or willingness to stop fighting and leaving Gaza would stop the war.
Why? One journalist has the answer, so let me quote it:

The world really likes good Jews who do not commit any acts of violence, who are philosophers, poets, scientists and writers and then end up in the chambers of Auschwitz. Good Jews, Jews without violence, are dead Jews and this is what the world likes, sometimes even loves and sometimes even sincerely, but good Jews are dead Jews. To stay alive, Jews also had to hurt and kill, and they did. And the world doesn't like these Jews. This means that living Jews do not live up to the world's expectations of them, and therefore they deprive themselves of some of their right to remain alive. Israel is the only country in the world about which serious politicians can say that due to its policies it has lost its legitimacy, it has lost its right to exist, as if these living Jews, with all the evil that they also cause, existed only conditionally with the consent of the world that allows them to continue living , even though the natural state of a Jew is to be dead.
Well, Israel is a complete, fundamental, categorical rejection of this way of thinking.
Konstanty Gebert, pen name Dawid Warszawski

 

So? You wanted number I gave you a number

 

You made it up.

 

Cartoons don’t constitute a rebuttal to an argument you can’t actually rebut.

 

I’m curious where you got this from. It doesn’t Google.

But it is a classic case of Zionist victimhood.

Sorry, but Israel gave up any claim it had to a moral high ground in the days after the Hamas attack.

Since them, Israel has rained ordinance down on Palistinians largely indiscrimately ever since. It cut off the water and power right away. Then it systematically worked at depriving the civilian population of access to food or health care.

You claim that Hamas knew that Israel would respond to an attack with a full scale military invasion, mass murder, forced starvation, and ethnic cl ensign.

What basis do you have for making that claim?

As for Hamas (or any future Palistinian organization), after 30,000 dead and 1.5 million made homeless, Israel has GUARANTEED that response.

 

Hamas knew they had that ordnance when they made the decision to stage that raid. Maybe they should have considered the possible consequences?

 

Where did I get the information that on October 7 Hamas murdered, raped and kidnapped Israeli civilians including women, children and old people? I got it from the free Western press.

Where did I get the information that Israel warned which area in Gaza it will bomb? I got it from the free Western press.

Where did I get the information that Hamas kept arms, ammunition and entries to underground tunnels in civilian houses? I got it from the free Western press.

Where did I get the information that Hamas is stealing food and fuel delivered to Gaza civilians? I got it from the free Western press.

Where did I get the information that Hamas leaders do not suffer from dementia and remember Israel response to Hamas missiles attacks, Israeli Operation Cast Lead, Operation Pillar of Defense and Operation Protective Edge? Well, it is my wild guess, but if you have proof that Hamas leaders are complete idiots who suffer from dementia – maybe I will agree with you.

Do I believe numbers claimed by Hamas? The same way as I believe that Hamas never persecuted opposition in Gaza and always is telling the truth.

Will Palestinians blame only Israel for starting the war in Gaza and will respond military? Knowing Palestinians my guess they will and knowing Israel my guess is there will be more crying and more protests – try to guess by who.

 

Mourning the death of certain people seems unnatural or illogical to you just because other people died?

Emotional manipulation doesn't work with me, and neither do out-of-context claims and hasty generalizations.

 

You dodged my question completely. Which says a lot.

Instead, you repeated your claims only in a more vitriolic tone.

You obviously can’t support your claim that Hamas knew in advance that Israel would lay Gaza to waste.

The death list from October 7th has fallen by a considerable number. I suppose that’s due to confusion. It seems logical.

Hamas did have a tunnel network.

Hamas stealing food aid? You got that from a compliant media blocked from any front line access, and having to rely almost entirely on Israeli sources. Even with a tight news cordon, stories of Israeli autrocites, including the mass murder of nearly 100 people at a food truck last week.

I don’t care whether you believe numbers from Hamas. History has said that their numbers tend to be accurate.

Operations Pillar of Defense and Protective Edge were tiny compared to the current full scale invasion and genocide. By an order of 10 to 15.

Sorry, but your claim that Hamas would anticipate that level of response is a reflection of your world view, nothing to do with theirs.

Israel will justifiably be blamed for the near genocidal nature of their wholesale invasion, and for the levelling of a nation. Regardless of who started it.

The response is so far out of scale with the initial attack that there is no real justification for it at all, not anymore.

Israel is still yelling “self defense”. But Israeli casualties are negligible compared to the level of destruction they’ve inflicted.

More importantly, “wiping out Hamas” is a chimera.

But there is no doubt that Palistinians won’t forget what Israel is doing now.

And that fact, alone, is the best indication that all this waste and carnage will only begat more in the future.

 

Hmm, I think I didn't dodge any of your questions, if did, please repeat which one.
I agreed with you that if Hamas are complete idiots with dementia, for sure they couldn't guess Israeli response.
So I think the only difference between us that you trust Hamas narrative and I don't.
If you live in a free democratic country you have the right to trust any source information you want, does not matter if it is North Korea media, Hamas media or Russian media and I have the right to trust free Western media, including Israeli one.
And Israeli media constantly criticize Israeli government, they even publicly criticized Israeli narrative that Hamas cut children heads - and I'll bet you would never guess it - the journalist who did it is still alive and still is working in Israeli TV. Can you imagen the same situation happens in North Korea, Gaza or Russia?

Hmm, well, actually it happened once, as told by Ronald Regen:

 

My support for Israel is unconditional.

 

That is kind of scary. not democratic .. nor conservative .. pure partisan though, will give you that much.

 

you have the right to trust any media you like friend .. that however does not make western and/or Israeli media free nor fair .. and of course we know the reverse is true . but it matters not .. as Israel boasts about its collective punishment , crimes against humanity and Ethnic Cleansing. As the Irish delegation to the UN put it .. "The Hague is to good for Bibi"

 

I don’t rely on the “Hamas narrative”. I rely on a routine survey of international press sources. Which tell a far different story than you will her on Fox, or MSNBC. Or any other American media, which is flagrantly pro Israeli, and not inclined to cover world news in any case.

 

OK, so if we learn that they have engaged in mass murder and genocide, you’ll have an excuse ready?

 

?? I said "moaning", not mourning.

You consider the deaths due to the horrendous terrorist attack of October as a justification for genocide.

That is simply not acceptable, as noted by country after country making statements at the ICJ.

The US doesn't accept this, either. This genocide has majorly affected the relationship with Israel.

There are war criminals. Will they be charged? I doubt it, but they are known.

 

Maybe the Hague is too good for Bibi, but it is EXCELLENT for Hamas leaders who wrote in Hamas in chapter why they why they want do destroy the only democratic country in the Middle East and promised more Oct 7 type genocides, rapes and kidnapping of women and children.
And the best - they convinced all 'civilized' world to scant 'from the river to the sea Palestine must be free', not daring to say "from the river to the sea kidnapped children must be free'.
I think it is even bigger propaganda achievement than communist propaganda about freedom in Soviet Union.
If one day will decide to sell something, for sure I will ask Hamas propaganda experts to help me with sales.