Netanyahu says "no one will stop us" in Gaza

Why? I can't imagine having my support for anything being unconditional. That is how monsters are created.

 

Cite your claim about Hamas.

And, remember that it is LIKUD that states "from the river to the sea" that there will be no government but Israel.
Translated from the 1999 Likud party charter:

"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."

"The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."

Thus they justify the bulldozing of Palestinians property in West Bank and increasing settlement of land owned by Palestine.

The idea that they aren't preparing to do this is Gaza is pure sophistry.

 

Kidnapping of women and Children .. rape of women ,, slaughter of civilians .. welcome to a day in the life of a Palestinian over the last 80 years. Agree that these are Hague worthy offenses. That Hamas has committed genocide ..is simple false nonsense ... "propaganda" sold to the raging eager religious right masses. Turned out much of the rape and baby beheading was Propaganda as well ... but this should be expected from such a well established, well oiled and well funded propaganda machine.

It is kind of priceless how the last part of your post actually talks about propaganda .. having gulped down so much necessary illusion and parroted the lines in some Orwellian black vs white doublespeak.

I have not yet to cede that Israel is guilty of Genocide .. but the idea Israel is not 1000 x more guilty Genocide related activity is pure necessary illusion dreamland. Do you know what the word means friend ? ... never mind .. because we need not discuss it.. What we can discuss is the Zionist Charter .. which calls for the Ethnic Cleansing of the Land ... "From the River to the Sea" ... You get it backwards friend .. Orwellian doublespeak alert - Below


And the best - they convinced all 'civilized' world to scant 'from the river to the sea Palestine must be free', not daring to say "from the river to the sea kidnapped children must be free'.

Indeed Israel has convinced the gullible US religious right raging mases .. through massive propaganda efforts .. that Palestine must not be free .. and that they own the land from the River to the Sea.

You have things totally reversed .. steeped deep in this raging anti Muslim xenophobic terrorist trope vs .. the Holy Chosen people of God .. who happen to be xenophobic terrorists in the room. Pure spoon fed necessary illusion .. Genocide Joe is not the Good Guy in this battle friend.

Who cares about freedoms in Russia under Stalin ? What does that have to do with the Trampling on freedom in the US .. or the Necessary Illusion that we have a fair and free press ? Your distracted from the real issues .. by some fairy tale about how Putin is Stalin Reborn .. a fairy tale that may well be true .. but is irrelevant to the Propaganda machine feeding Team USA... Got the folks agreeing that arming and supporting terrorists and mass crimes against humanity is a good thing .. That's quite an achievement.

 

Who told you that, the IDF?
Do you think they lied about that the same way they've lied about their legal responsibility as the occupying power of Palestine?

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/five-israeli-talking-points-gaza-debunked/

"As the occupying power of the Gaza Strip, and the Palestinian Territories more broadly, Israel has an obligation and a duty to protect the civilians under its occupation.

"It governs by military and law enforcement authority to maintain order, protect itself and protect the civilian population under its occupation.

"It cannot simultaneously occupy the territory, thus usurping the self-governing powers that would otherwise belong to Palestinians, and declare war upon them."

 

All of Israel, plus the land justly conquered in the 1967 Six Day War, is less than one percent of Arab land. When that land was Palestine it was a third world backwater. Now it is an oases of civilization, surrounded by a desert of primitive and horrifying barbarism, where rape victims are often punished more severely than rapists.

The 0.2% percent of the human population that is Jewish is the most accomplished group of people on earth. Palestinians are known for terrorism, shooting rockets at Israel, and honor killing.

By the way, I am not Jewish. Jews are humble about their superiority.

 

Caveat ~ I have not read the whole Thread.

The USA could stop this war in one phone call.

"Sorry Ben, no more bombs from us. No more aid from us."

/End of war.

 

Israel is the only affluent democracy in the Near East. Israel deserves our weapons and needs them in order to survive.

 

Do good Jews believe Zionism is an effective means of running a democratic state, or do they believe Jews are "chosen" and therefore entitled to special privileges non-Jews are not?

"Zionism has been described as a form of settler colonialism in relation to the region of Palestine and the Israeli–Palestinian conflict.

"Although notable early Zionists employed this characterization like Ze'ev Jabotinsky in 'The Iron Wall',[1] today it is associated with anti-zionist activists and academics who support a one-state solution to the conflict[2][3][4] such as Patrick Wolfe, an influential theorist of settler colonial studies who defines it as an ongoing 'structure, not an event' aimed at replacing a native population rather than exploiting it."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism_as_settler_colonialism

 

And I said that I'm mourning, not moaning.

You haven't the slightest idea what I think.

There's no genocide. Israel is fighting against Hamas to make sure there will be no genocide.

 

There was no occupation in Gaza prior to the murder, rape, mutilation, kidnapping attack.

 

I am a Christian Zionist. I believe that the Children of Israel are entitled to the Land of Israel, and that the Palestinians should move elsewhere in the Arab world.

 

You are incorrect. The cleansing in the surrounding region is obvious. Please feel free to refute this by pointing out a thriving population of Jews, Christians, atheists, gay people, non-Muslims, or those critical of religion/government, in the surrounding region.

There was no occupation on Gaza prior to them raping, mutilating, murdering, and kidnapping innocent civilians. It appears as though you are trivializing what they did to Israelis.


The bottom line is that the side you have chosen to debate on behalf of, has already successfully cleansed their land of these minorities, and they only have one tiny strip of land left. As long as Israel exists, this will be their focus. The Jew hating countries cannot win a war with Israel, so they use Palestinians as pawns.

The body count is the fault of Palestinian leadership. They intentionally place these people in harms way for the purpose of demonizing Israel. You and I don't want to see these people harmed, but until their own leaders care about them more than they hate Jews, there is nothing we can do.

 

Amazing how Leftists keep defending the people who toss LGBT folks off roofs and treat their women like cattle. But they demonize the tiny state who just wants to be left alone, that actually accepts different forms of religion, free speech, has strong women and similar values to us? Just bizaar.

And lets not forget OTHER MUSLIM countries do NOT want Palestinians in THEIR countries. Their own people are afraid. They have WALLS keeping them out. Doesn't that tell you SOMETHING? Hello Mcfly!!! Do the math.

 

Everything the Left hates about the religious right and the bible belt is far more true of Muslims and Muslim countries. Nevertheless, the Left takes the side of the Palestinians against the only civilized country in the Near East.

A gay rights demonstration in an Arab country could never happen,. By the time the police arrived to arrest the demonstrators, they would have been beaten to death by a howling, raging mob of Muslims.

 

"Do good Jews believe Zionism is an effective means of running a democratic state, or do they believe Jews are "chosen" and therefore entitled to special privileges non-Jews are not?"

Israel is the only democratic state in the Middle East. This Zionist state allows in its parliament Arab parties, communist parties and Arab Muslim parties. As matter of fact one Arab party - United Arab List - participated the government. In this Zionist democratic country an Arab judge sentenced Jewish president to jail. In this Zionist democratic country Jews elected an Arab as Miss Israel, and I could give more examples.
Unfortunately Palestinians have excellent propaganda and convinced the world that the only one democratic country in the Middle East, were Arabs, gays and woman have more rights in any country in the Middle East must be destroyed and replaced by Hamas, which still keeps kidnapped Israeli children, men and women.
So what if Arabs in Israel have more rights that Arabs in all surrounding countries - Israel is 'colonialist'!
And about 'good Jews' - today everyone agrees that Black lives matter, but how about Jewish lives? As Harvard professor Claudine Gay famously said: it depends on the context. So context is not freedom, human rights, todays the context is 'colonialism'.

 

I have not been able to find the exact number on the internet, but many Arab countries have established diplomatic relations with Israel. Arab countries are learning that they have more important things to do than to destroy Israel and return the land to the Palestinians.

I mention this because Americans who take the side of the Palestinians often confidently predict that eventually the Arab world will destroy Israel as it destroyed the Crusader kingdom nearly a thousand years ago.

 

You have the right to believe that Hamas did not commit genocide by killing, raping and kidnapping civilians and all reports including UN report is Zionist conspiracy and have the right to believe that Israel did not kill even single child in Gaza, all killing was done by Hamas and all reports about civilians killed by Israel is Palestinian conspiracy.
It looks we have disagreement who to trust, terrorist organization which routinely kills its opponents or democratic country where government is very often criticized by media, and people who oppose the government are not killed or expelled from work.

 

There was no occupation prior to the murder, rape, mutilation, and kidnapping attack.

 

There is nothing defensive about their behavior on ANY of their borders.

The walls they built on West Bank land were designed for capturing economic value for Israel, not for defense.

Keeping Gaza as an open air prison is an act of war that has continued for decades.

There is NO chance that the people of Gaza will accept that as a continued state of life.

Now what we see in Gaza is Israel slaughtering the people, digging up their dead, starving the population, sporadically shooting at them as they get aid from outside countries.

This is genocide for profit, recognized and not accepted throughout the civilized world.

 

As are Palestinian women who watch as their babies die from Israeli imposed starvation.

As are Palestinians who watch the IDF bulldoze their cemeteries.

You are absolutely right about that. I value life, and what I see is a country that is carrying out genocide in order to acquire land.

A genocide in self defense?

You really want me to believe that Gaza is a military threat to Israel???

Nobody is that stupid.

 

The Palestinians have had plenty of time to either become a docile source of cheap labor for the Jews or to leave.

 

LOL!

No country sees their future as being a "docile source of cheap labor" for anybody - let alone those who have been making war on them for decades.

And, that isn't Israel's view, either.

 

The Palestinians serve no useful function to their Jewish masters.

 

This is not about what I believe .. and I did say Hamas did not commit genocide in any case .. I said Israel "may not" have reached that level of Genocide.

The claim that the 10,000 dead children exterminated by Israel .. was actually done by Hamas .. is about as right off the fig farm as it gets I am afraid. Where are you getting this wild propaganda from ?? not even Israel is putting out product that tainted .. that is just an absurd claim.

Israel has been targeting Journalists .. and their families .. Israel media is the opposite of fair and free in relation to war coverage .. jail time or death for those publishing stuff that Israel does not like.

 

Please post a list of all Palestinian women who watch their babies die from Israeli-imposed starvation: names, places of residence, names of starving babies.

Please post a list of all bulldozed Gaza cemeteries.

Prove your assertion.

Gaza is not a military threat to Israel, at least not yet. Gaza is a terrorist threat to Israel. A terrorist organization capable of raping, torturing, murdering, and kidnapping some 1500 Israelis in a few hours is a real and serious threat.