Well I can see how you would take it as an appeal to popularity, but I didn't mean it that way. I was thinking more along the lines of what is in most people's DNA to make them act this way. I doubt that it is learned behavior.
Most things for humans are learned behaviors. It's one of the great things about te species that distinguishes us from the animal kingdom. My view on abortion in general is pro-choice until the fetus has developed the brain stem. But, I also think we should have a much improve sexual education system, and better acces to contraceptives for teenagers. Stop it before it gets to abortion.
Fully agree, but this goes against the majority of pro-lifers views, something they cannot see the irony or hypocritical position of.
The vast majority of what humans do is learned behaviour, for the most our ingrained behaviour is just about survival.
Even if it is learned, I disagree in the benefits of unlearning the behavior that treats the fetus like a baby.
firstly you would have to provide proof that what you state above is true, a difficult task unless you are prepared to make assumptions.
I don't need to, I am confident that my argument will stand on its own with most people. People in general, through their actions, treat the fetus like a human, and not like a medical condition or a lump of flesh. The emotional and financial investment that ordinary people place on a pregnancy shows this. Granted there are exceptions, and some people don't feel this way, as is evidenced by abortions. But I can't deny what I've seen in my life, most people feel as I do. I know that legally, a fetus is not considered a person, but emotionally, it simply is not the case for most people. I guess the plan is to change this mindset? Because if you are going to give the choice to terminate to 1 person, then you better get rid of this emotional mindset, because the people not involved in the decision are thinking that you are killing a person, no matter what the heck the law says. Somehow, you are going to need to suppress all emotions associated with the fetus, until the moment of birth. Good luck.
So basically all you have is anecdotal opinions of what "some" people do or don't do, and please do show where anyone treats a fetus as a "lump of flesh", that is just a personal projection with no merit. Interestingly pregnancy is listed as a medical condition - http://www.medicinenet.com/diseases_and_conditions/alpha_p.htm Please define 'ordinary', what may be 'ordinary' to you may not be to another, and these people who make the emotional and financial investment have one thing in common that you seem to just ignore .. the pregnancy is wanted. There are to many 'most' in the rest of the response for it to be anything other than appeal to popularity, and there is no reason why people cannot feel the way they do .. just so long as they don't try to enforce that feeling through law.
please do show where anything in the OP states "that pre-Roe illegal abortions were performed by back-alley butchers with rusty coat hangers."
Wow talk about your giant straw men!! But even if this were true, it actually validates MY experience where laws are irrelevant as abortions can and will occur even when they are technically illegal
The OP implied that pre-roe illegal abortions were dangerous and unsafe for women, which my article refuted.
But notice what you're admitting, Sam.... that abortions took place EVEN WHEN it was illegal. So try to explain again how you believe an "Abortion Prohibition" would be enforced....when you clearly see that when it was illegal, they still took place???
But the OP did not say "that pre-Roe illegal abortions were performed by back-alley butchers with rusty coat hangers." did it? and you cannot dispute the fact that maternal deaths due to abortion (illegal or not) has declined since Roe
You forgot the number 1 reason: a woman is an individual, and all individuals have the right to self-ownership.
It sends a bad moral message to make abortion illegal because you don't care that illegal abortions are dangerous. ALL abortions are for "health" reasons, whether it is financial health, mental health, or physical health. How would you know whether the woman is selfish or not? That's correct. Our laws are not supposed to be based on "christiananswers" or any other religion. A "child" has rights, but that is not so of a zef. Link? No one has said unwanted "children" should be allowed to be killed. The Nazis said childbearing should and would be regulated by government, isn't that what YOU want? When in doubt, say nothing.
>>>Flamebait Post Removed<<< Speaking of "fringers"...what percentage of Americans want abortion made completely illegal?
http://www.gallup.com/poll/154838/pro-choice-americans-record-low.aspx The majority of Americans are pro-life.
Yup, the majority of Americans would call themselves pro-life...but how many of them actually follow the issue and vote on it let alone want to see it totally outlawed?
interestingly when the same people were asked the question as to whether they were pro-life or pro-choice in isolation the results are somewhat different. http://www.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx#1 - Half way down the page. seems people are a little more honest when they don't have someone listening to their responses. - - - Updated - - - the poll Sam is quoting is taken in public, there is another one showing a different story when people were asked in isolation.
Does that poll show that the majority of Americans want abortion made illegal as you do? This is a simple Yes or No question based on the link YOU provided. Not to be too cynical, but what do you think the odds are that you will GIVE me a simple Yes or No answer...or any answer related to the question I am asking you???
Also note...even under those circumstances, it does NOT produce a result showing that most Americans agree with the "pro-life agenda" that Sam ascribes to....they do NOT want abortion made illegal. So quickly now, we can expect Sam to disregard his own post...the polls he posted...and desperately seek to change the topic.
