North Korea says has developed ‘advanced hydrogen bomb’ that can be fitted on ICBM.

I never heard Trump say he thought he could win a nuclear war. Is there a link on that?

Moreover Trump has Mattis, McMasters, and the Joint Chiefs of the Armed Services to advise him.

Btw, what can China say now? They are the ones that have been doing the talking and lil Kim just showed them in the public, in front of the entire world. He hasn't heard a word they said.

 

There's Merkel, caving in. Fat bag of German crap that she is.

Cheers,
Jason Bourne

 

And rightly so. Do you still have dreams of American hegemony in the far east? That's utterly ridiculous. The useless, or even nefarious US military presence is an insult to the dragon, right in front of his den.

Trump is (maybe) learning the hard way that Asians doesn't exactly react like his terrified employees. He is the one that looked the most foolish in this story, a failed bully.

Get the heck out of there, leaving some nukes to the South Koreans then call it a day. Things should keep cool after that.

 

I would call it a near certainty kim will use them by making his price for peace too high for any US president to meet

The first step is a credible nuclear icbm threat to reach the US

His price for peace is total US withdrawal from S Korea

The usual liberal suspects like you will chirp about how reasonable that is for all the usual dumb excuses that liberal use

And he does it when there is thumbsucking democrat or establishment republican in the white house who will promptly comply

Next kim demands US forces out of Japan also

And oh by the way demands that South Korea disarm its military or he will nuke the West Coast

Not Seoul which he has future plans for the in the new unified Korea

What do you do?

 

This is the latest:

Russian President Vladimir Putin and his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping have agreed to “appropriately deal” with the recent nuclear test conducted by North Korea, Chinese Xinhua news reports.​

The test is “another example of Pyongyang’s outright disregard” of UN Security Council resolutions and international law, the (Russian) ministry said.

“We cannot but regret the fact the DPRK [North Korea] leadership is creating grave threats to peace and security on the Korean Peninsula and the whole region by its actions, which are aimed at undermining the global non-proliferation regime. The continuation of this line is fraught with grave consequences for the DPRK itself.”
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https://www.rt.com/news/401882-putin-xi-north-korea-deal/

 

Your post undermines your conclusion. Russia and China both share a border with north Korea and neither one will allow a war on their border.

So much for crushing north Korea like a cockroach.

 

Do you think that all those countries that make any agreements should keep their word?

 

Looks like if it happens over there.....Germany will be running some supply lines. Don't you worry......we will find them something to do.

 

Then you must be furious with our government supporting and arming Nazis in Ukraine.

 

Are you saying they didn't know what they were agreeing to, when they were trying to join the big boys club?

 

I'm not aware that they are doing so, are you?

Cheers,
Jason Bourne

 

Valet parking. Germans are great at parking cars.


Cheers,
Jason Bourne

 

Russia and China see the American defenses in S. Korea and Japan as a direct threat to them, so how can they support the very nation which threatens them? It's illogical!

Kim knows this, and that's where his power lies. Since the very existence of N. Korea depends on both of those countries, it's up to them to calm the situation.

 

Very interesting piece but see my previous post; the moment for military intervention has already passed. When it comes to North Korea we can no longer ignore the nuclear implications.
North Korea can now no longer be defeated without massive loss of life on all sides.
It would only lead to an Extinction Level Event of the human race.

Kim has achieved his goal; he is now untouchable for any attempt to defeat him will defeat humanity. And who's willing to risk that?
It also doesn't matter if Kim has one nuclear bomb or thousands. If Kim manages to hit South Korea or Japan with just one nuke, the world will descend into nuclear armageddon.

In the nuclear age it's not the military conflict that matters, for such a conflict won't even have a chance to prosper. Nuclear oblivion prevents it.
Millions will die faster than Trump can tweet about it.

So military intervention is out of the question for it would only lead to the annihilation of the human race.
Sanctions don't work because China won't abide by them. They need a nuclear North Korea as leverage to claim their territorial sovereignty.

So I suggest we resume diplomacy with North Korea, if only to obstruct China. If we can, somehow, thwart China's nuclear blackmail by ''befriending'' North Korea, that might work for us.
Befriending as in, for starters, not sounding like an enemy.

But then, idiot Trump has already claimed he doesn't wanna talk anymore with North Korea.
Which only highlights the real problem; With no President in charge of the US (except the loon impersonating one) the opposing party (China) runs riot.

Until such time as Trump has been replaced with a proper President, the US will remain a rudderless political entity.
And, until such time, any resolution to the NK crisis will remain in limbo. Or, worse, it will be dealt with through mayhem and mishap rather then proper diplomacy.

That, then, might be NUCLEAR mayhem and mishap.

 

If its a race to the bottom I hope you win

 

Meh.....they're already making cars that can park themselves. How are they in the Kitchen?

 

And now they think in Germany live only atheistic idiots any longer?

 

No, have you forgotten about agreements that the US agreed to just a couple of years ago but are threatening to pull out of or does that agreement not count. Also, unlike the US who are saying that you are not going to abide by that agreement at all, Germany do not have to meet the 2% mark in this agreement for several years

 

The very ideathat America might launch an invasion of china or russia from our bases in Korea is laughable

 

As ridiculous as we would feel if Russia had missile defenses in Cuba and Mexico.

 

Oh I figured you would go there about the US agreements. So yeah the US is being a hypocrite. But when you are one of the bad boys you can do that.

You lefties of the leftness should understand that concept well. Don't do as I do, do as I say. The leftness should be able to understand that concept totally.

Therefore quit whining about what everybody does.

 

What about the Ukrainian ones? Are they okay because they're killing Russians?

 

There's a lot of hot air on this thread including the OP. This quote comes about as near to a concrete proposal as I can find. But it's still vague.

Every soldier I have ever met has held the view that those who make decisions to go to war should understand the consequences of that war. Professionals despise those civilians who call for killing and death because they get a testosterone itch. Hard men do not talk lightly of war.

Anyone who wants to be taken seriously when calling for action should specify what the objectives of the action are, exactly what action they propose and what risks are there to such action (in terms of it being effective and how many people will die). That's what military people who have to make the decision will do. That's what Heads of State should do too.

So on this site the discussion should do just that. Otherwise it's just silly culture wars. Meaningless drivel shouted between dorm rooms.

If someone was to make a serious proposal then a proper discussion could take place instead of people reporting others to the Mods (I'm telling on you), silly spats about Germany (that was prevented from re-arming post WW2 for understandable reasons) and lots of hysterical shouting.

It's reasonable to assume NK has nuclear weapons because they say so. Arguing about that seems pointless. Countries have to defend themselves and take threats from Heads of State of other countries seriously.

Some action needs to be taken.

You can pressurize China to help strangle the regime through an oil embargo or impose and enforce such an embargo by penalizing Chinese firms that trade with NK.

You can gamble with hundreds of thousands of lives by taking limited action against NK targets (runways, military bases, test centers).

You can do a "shock and awe light show" as was done in Baghdad but you probably won't achieve that much except cause 8,000 guns to destroy Seoul.

You can definitely give up hundreds of thousands of SK lives by starting a full scale conventional war.

or you can waste the whole of East Asia and probably most major US cities by launching a pre-emptive nuclear war with North Korea that would definitely be seen by China as a nuclear attack on itself (due to geographical proximity for one thing), if it was not a response to an actual nuclear attack from NK.

Is there another option?

Unless you are prepared to discuss it on these terms then this thread is just a lot of not very brave armchair warriors getting very worked up and saying not very much at all. Shock and awe rah rah rah means nothing. What exactly should the US and/or her allies do? Specifics?

 

Of course I am, but it's not something you will find in the MSM. Try the alternative sites, there are some very credible ones.