NRA torches Biden admin for plan to change rules for gun buyers, sellers

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  1. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It never ends, and it never relates to honesty. The administration wants to criminalize people without changing the laws, by revising the definition of words.

    In this case, the definition of a "firearms dealer", so that it can include personal sales by individuals, making such sales a violation of law by not having an FFL, the license of a registered dealer in business.

    Aside from this being an attack on the Second Amendment, it's an attack on the basic intelligence of people, telling them their government is full of people willing who have no intention of following the Constitution when it's in the way of what they want- power over everyone and everything.

    NRA torches Biden admin for plan to change rules for gun buyers, sellers
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/nra-torches-biden-admin-plan-change-rules-gun-buyers-sellers
     
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    Those poor gun owners, they are SOO oppressed in the Biden, socialist United States, so that the US is 4% of the world's population, but has only just less than half of the world's privately owned firearms. Half is clearly not enough, that number has to be much higher before all those firearms start to keep everyone safe.

    In any case, back to the topic, no reason to complain, the Trump activist Supreme Court will strike this down anyway.
     
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  3. Condor060

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    So you would be (as the OP describes) one of the people who have no intention of following the Constitution when it's in the way of what you want.
    Thanks for confirming what the OP stated
     
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    Any secondary sale of a firearm should be treated just like the primary sale.

    If background checks are constitutional for the sale of a new firearm why do you believe they are unconstitutional for all subsequent sales?
     
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    Off course we want to follow the constitution . And the part we don’t like, we want to change it.

    Changing constitution is an American way of life. It has been change / amended 27 times.
     
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    So file an amendment instead of changing the definition of words because you can't get your amendment to fly.
     
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    If background checks are not working now, how do you think they'll work if you expand them to private sales?
     
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    Numbers and statistics have nothing to do with threatening our rights. Various states now demand a background check to buy ammunition, waiting periods, magazine capacity restrictions, licenses, permits, "red flag laws", and more. How far we have fallen into tyranny and forgotten the original intent of "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed".
     
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    Just wondering how you or me would be able to perform a background check on someone. I have no idea how that's done. Would I have to take my gun along with the person buying it to a licensed dealer and pay to have them do it?

    I see all kinds of logistical problems with this.
     
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    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The left loves to use the word 'fascist' yet I don't see them using it in this thread.
     
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    Don’t you worry. We will abolish 2nd amendment someday , just not today.
     
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    Same for the 1st.
     
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    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What needs to be tweaked is the 14 amendment and you know which part I'm referring to.
     
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    How do guns make America safer ?
     
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    In my experience, this is handled in many ways by local and state laws. Enforcement is a problem. But I would never think of selling a gun without meeting all requirements. A gun floating around which could cause me to be charged with a crime I didn't commit because I failed to comply with procedures just isn't worth it.
     
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    Very simple...
    "When seconds count, police take minutes."
     
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    I'm sure you authoritarians would love that.
    Of course you only think the government should have them.

    Fortunately for you A dream cost nothing
     
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    Go ahead and give it a shot. You don't have the votes.
     
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    There is no federal police power.
    You don't get to say 'muh health and safety'. Instead, federal gun control laws are couched in INTERSTATE COMMERCE regulations.
    A person to person secondary sale is by definition INTRASTATE not INTERSTATE commerce.
    Meaning the feds don't have that power.
     
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    This is actually an issue on 'both' sides. People claim that government works 'slow' to be more deliberate. No, government works slow because it's archaic. If you told the founders there were only 27 Amendments, none since 1992, they would be like 'Why did we give you the power'?

    The President has Veto power, why doesn't he use it? Congress has override, why isn't that used? All of it boils down to the same thing: Neither the legislature or the executive is willing or able to put the big pants on and make a definitive call on something.

    And it paralyzes the entire government, while we as a citizenry make an excuse for this incompetence in government.

    Dictators arise solely out of the pitifully failing conditions of the democratically elected government. If the legislature were strong, the government is stable. If the executive is strong, the legislature has something to fall back on.

    In the society when neither is the case, someone has to steer it in the right direction.
     
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    I'm not interested in your empty rhetoric.

    Prove to me, with facts, that guns make America safer.
     
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    It sometimes amazes me how logic totally eludes liberals. Liberals view logic and common sense as "empty rhetoric" if it doesn't support their radical agenda.

    How sad.
     
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    A gun owner is 11x more likely to commit suicide with his gun than to stop a crime.

    The odds of an assault victim being shot were 4.5 times greater if he carried a gun. His odds of being killed were 4.2 times greater.

    That's facts.

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/01/pro-gun-myths-fact-check/

    So how do guns make America safer ?
     
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    Guns kill people like spoons make people fat.

    Its a people problem... not a gun problem.

    And, again... when seconds count... cops take minutes.
     
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    So people shouldn't own them.
     

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