obama birth certificate. the media is catching on

This I have to see. Give examples please?

 

lol, birthers

 

Gladly- as soon as you show us this:

Birtherlicious: Read Reed Hayes statement he put out after he first examined the pdf document

Still waiting for that Reed Hayes statement.

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They do provide entertainment, in a treasonous way.

 

I have not seen the Hayes report so I can only speculate, and speculation is not confirmation. The remarks quoted do not represent my position or what I wrote.

It must be frustrating to have the Hayes report teasing you, but not being able to see it. As for Arpaio, I have no faith in his Cold Case Posse investigation whatever. They've been caught lying and fabricating evidence. They are discredited.

 

So what do you speculate?

 

Given that Hayes is primarily a handwriting expert, and not credentialed for electronic documents, I would think it most likely that his report deals with the signatures appearing in the image, perhaps saying that they look like they were traced or copied because of some characteristic.

If that is correct, it is a very troublesome conclusion because it would be inconsistent with the representations made by Mike Zullo that the Hayes report uses words like "100%". Handwriting analysis in general is not that accurate, even when they use original documents. To draw a conclusion from a multi-generational photocopy that has been optimized by advanced software, would seem to be beyond what forensic science can do. That is, what I suspect what Hayes did is not consistent with any recognized methodology in his field. That is my speculation.

Until the Hayes Report is published, it's useless EXCEPT as a motivational tool to keep birthers in line.

 

I already did, which makes it even more hilarious as you are obviously not even reading what I'm quoting in your blind panic

AND he runs a bloc dedicated to... image analysis and document forensics. Certainly he gets a fair amount of traffic on those subjects.

So how about you put up Reed Hayes "immaculate CV" Since you have been demanding proof from everyone else that you will never accept.

AND since you are trying to discredit Dr Krawetz, how about some more people. You have already ignored John Woodman's 4 videos above, so How about the guy that World Net Daily claimed had issued a report stating that the BC had been altered, and who sent Doc Conspiracy a copy of his report which stated that there was no proof of forgery (his name escapes me)

That's 3 experts that say the BC is genuine. All you can muster is one that says... stuff. Which you don't know, as Zullo refuses to release it.

 

As to the first bolded part, that is not true. Hayes is experienced with the examination of computer-generated handwriting using electronic devices called computers. As for the second bolded part, how so? If any part of a government document has been determined 100% forged then that renders the whole document forged thus not valid.

 

Reed Hayes himself says similar on his website

http://reedwrite.com/?page_id=133

Based on his own site, with only one sample of Sinclair's and Ann Dunham's handwriting, through a blurred copy of a photocopy of a photocopy, he would not be able to determine much of anything.

 

And what happens when he is examining computer-generated handwriting signatures?

 

He asks for more copies of the computer's handwriting.

 

I'm not sure what you mean by that term, a script font?

 

Why do you think Hayes is experienced with the examination of computer-generated handwriting? What IS computer-generated handwriting, anyway? What citation would you offer in support of such a claim. The organization that certifies Hayes doesn't even offer certification in electronic document analysis.

I took 100% to mean a level of certainty, not the amount of the document forged. Your idea that a document is 100% forged if any part of it is forged is not normal English usage. For example, if an entry stamp were forged on an otherwise authentic passport, no one would say that the passport is 100% forged.

 

Possibly, but never the less the passport would be invalid thus not 100% authentic for use because backdating stamps for entry and exit is unlawful. It has been used in the past and some travelers were able to get away with it. But one should be aware that this old unlawful practice is no longer effective in circumventing the law.

 

Read “Examination of Computer Generated Handwriting,” Journal of the World Association of Document Examiners, September 1995. If not call another professional expert named Joe B. Alexander, M.D., CDE, CFP. He trained with Reed Hayes.

http://www.docexaminer.com/pages/faq.html

A snippet the link above:

What training does a handwriting expert need in order to testify in a court of law?
All professional organizations for document examiners require at least a two-year apprenticeship with a full-time qualified document examiner. My mentorsship was directed by Don Lehew. I have also trained with Kathie Koppenhaver, Bill Koppenhaver and Reed Hayes. A handwriting expert's training continues throughout life as they attend training conferences, conduct research, and publish articles for trade journals.

 

Sounds like you just made that up.

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I'm going to let you alone, as you're only playing, and not engaging in a serious discussio

 

not supposed to use the ph word here. I liked you better when you just made up quotes and put other people's names to it.

 

just a little bit pregnant..... is we changing the definition of is again ??

hey doc were you able to discover why the AP high resolution copy is better than the original ? if there is a higher resolution copy (I think we all agree on that), doesn't that in itself imply that there are varying degrees of quality ?
why would that be, in the all digital domain ??

 

There is a concept that birthers have not grasped:"credibility." For a birther, someone getting caught in a lie, or making a nonsense statement under the color of being an expert, has no particular significance. For the rest of us, it means that such persons lost their credibility and their claims don't warrant much attention. The claim that the AP document is "better than the original" would seen to be nonsense on its face, and not worth looking at unless it came from a recognized expert or mainstream news organization. You have a long history of getting such things wrong.

 

Well, its your fault for bringing a stick of celery to a sword fight.

Wow. Maybe they were scanned at different resolutions FROM the original? And then one image was converted to a PDF creating a new image, at a new resolution based on the settings of the PDF creator software?
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And if you look all over the internet (even your pathetic website) you will find images of different resolutions. Even printed images have different resolutions. That's why they invented the term DPI (dots per inch).

So, is there there one single thing in this whole wide world you actually know about?

 

And by "the original" above, I of course mean the certified copy issued by Hawaii, just in case one or two people will try to twist what I said to mean the file in Hawaii.

 

All of this speculation could so easily be eliminated if we were shown the mythical Reed Hayes report.

Since all we have regarding its existance is Mike Zullo's word, then the reports very existence is questionable.

But if it does exist- and if it does claim there was forgery- then why is Mike Zullo concealing evidence of a crime from the State of Hawaii?

Mike Zullo is not a law enforcement officer- if he has evidence of a crime, and he is concealing it from law enforcement, then that is a crime.

If he had real evidence- he would be having a Press conference to show it to the FBI and the Hawaii State Police.

Hence- he has no real evidence- he has future book material- carefully protected by copyright.

 

False!

 

lol, birthers.

what are you claiming is false?

 

Wake us all up when Zullo does something more than have press conference to tell us what he is not going to show anyone.