OK. Suppose Israel Strikes iranian Nuclear Facilities...

In 1981 Saudi Arabia flooded the market with cheap oil... Nearly put domestic producers out of business.

 

Perhaps you should check the source you quoted:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/report/2004/isg-final-report/ch2_anxd_img06.jpg

 

I have. Perhaps you should make a point.

 

This is funny. Perhaps you can source the actual information that you used for your quote "Iraq's main financial backers were the oil-rich Persian Gulf states, most notably Saudi Arabia ($30.9 billion), Kuwait ($8.2 billion) and the United Arab Emirates ($8 billion)" - post 116. clue: on the wiki site you sourced look at ref 112, the one that gives Iraqs debt as on 2004. Always check wiki sources for authentocity. The graph in ref 112 is for non-paris club creditors in 2004. The US and Russia belong to paris club. Iraqs total foreign debt as at end of 1989 was $40 billion according to this source:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/jhtml...t/2004/isg-final-report/ch2_anxd_img07.jpg|||

So my point, if you are going to quote loans, the figures should relate to 1980 - 1988, not what the debt was in 2004

 

Try "A Clean Break" - a neoconservative policy paper.

 

Oh I know.. I have read it several times over the past decade. Stupid stuff IMO.. Counterproductive ... even for Israel.

 

Suppose Iran struck Israel's nuclear facilities, then apply that response to Israel's speculated actions

 

Well, would you give it second thought that the other infamous neoconservative policy paper, "Rebuilding America's Defenses" by PNAC, coincide with 9/11, the Iraq War, and the Arab Spring? These two policy papers, once 9/11 had happened, gave way to actual events outlined. Iraq has been liberated. Syria is on the cusp of regime change, which I think the adults know a friendly to Western ideals will be implanted in Assad's stay.

 

I have read that PNAC stuff as well.. That's why I resigned the Repubican party after 35 years.

The Arab Spring doesn't reflect the PNAC plan... and we absolutely MUST keep our hands off.

In Libya the secular liberals beat out the Muslim Brotherhood... and Mursi in Egypt is acting like a leader.

The Free Syrian Army are mostly defectors from the Syrian Army and it includes, Sunni, Shia and Alawites.

I know the temptation to "do something"...

 

I didn't mean to infer that the PNAC policy involved the Arab Spring, but that after 9/11, the so-called Pearl Harbor, "A Clean Break" also came into play.

 

IF Israel strikes Iran the USA and Israel will take control of Saudi.

That much we can be sure of.

 

I know and I didn't mean to infer otherwise.

Its just that some in government amuse themselves with these fantastically stupid and ambitious plans. Remember when Israel was going to redraw the maps of the ME and subdivide nearly every country.. I will post that map for you if I can find it.

The landscape is ever changing.. Look at Libya.. Oil money is still flowing and the secular liberals beat the Muslim Brotherhood.... and, its no longer a nanny state.

Egypt has a way to go, but Mursi is sounding and acting like a leader.. like an "Egyptian leader".. The Syrians are fed up with Assad and Iran is looking to dump Syria.. Its all good IMO.

Israel is not in charge and neither is the US... Israel is just frantically chasing their tails and trying to appear relevant.

 

LOLOLOL.. What utter nonsense....

 

Being this naive MUST be painful.

Listen, AQ is running the show in Syria, to say otherwise is Caligula level madness.

 

The opposition in Syria ... the FSA is largely defectors from the Syrian Army.. Many Sunnis, but also Shia and Alawi.

You have bought into that nonsense that everything is AQ or Zionists.. or "Wahhabi"..

 

Where on earth did that come from? There is absolutely no logical connection between the two, not to mention the Muslim world would never sit still for even partial Israeli control of the nation that contains Mecca and Medina. I invite Abu Sina to somehow explain his chain of thought in how he got from Point A (Israeli strike on Iranian nuclear facilities) to Point Z (USA and Israel jointly controlling Saudi Arabia). It should be fascinating!

 

LOLOLOL..

Abu is poor Johnny one note.. "Israel, Saudi Arabia, the US and Wahhabis".

It applies to EVERY event.

 

If Israel strikes the Iranian nuke facilities, there will be some smoking and maybe somewhat radioactive holes in some fly-blown places, but there will be nothing but a few spasmodic responses.

 

LOLOLOL..

Abu is poor Johnny one note.. "Israel, Saudi Arabia, the US and Wahhabis".

It applies to EVERY event.

 

Since the Saudis and the Israelis are on the same wave length, why change ownership of Arabia?

 

Says the utterly naive Marge...

 

What? So you're in the business of revising history now. You know very well that both America and Britain conspired to overthrow the democratically elected Mossadegh government because he was in the process of nationalising Iranian oil.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'état
http://www.nytimes.com/library/world/mideast/041600iran-cia-index.html

 

I had an argument with him over that as well...

I'm pretty sure there are a number of people on this forum who are pathologically brain damaged or perhaps lobotomized?. Because there can be no other explanation as to how someone would even attempt to re-write history. He said the Shahs had always been in control of Iran, like that's an excuse for overthrowing the democratically elected government and replacing it with the Shah...he made it seem like it wasn't even a big deal, when it's the root of all US troubles with Iran.

Pathological stupidity, no doubt about it. This by the way, is the same guy that denied the US supplied Saddam with weapons for his Iraq-Iran war. Yet history clearly states otherwise...

Basic Google search and clicking on the first link...

Unbelievable, the hubris of some people, the total foaming at the mouth madness to believe they can stand in front of the world, totally NAKED and attempt to re-write history in broad daylight. Sounds like an Alice in Wonderland script written entirely by Buck Rogers.

 

According to Tareq Aziz, Saddam's deputy PM, the reasons were ''oil and Israel.''

Also, Saddam began selling Iraqi oil for euros instead of dollars in 2001. Iran went one step further in 2008 when they opened their own oil bourse on Kish Island, announcing that they intended to sell oil in currencies other than the US dollar, and intending to compete with the US owned bourses in New York and London.

Dusty

 

"Abu is poor Johnny one note.. "Israel, Saudi Arabia, the US and Wahhabis".


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