Omicron spreads mostly among vaccinated

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  1. Eadora

    Eadora Well-Known Member

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    And in THAT GOAL these prescribed Vaccines are FAILING miserably !
    disregarding for a moment their failing Efficacy and the increasing calls
    for More & MORE prescribed SPIKE PROTIEN TOXIN filled Boosters
     
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    Consider the source

    Natural News
    Natural News (formerly NewsTarget, which is now a separate sister site) is a far-right, anti-vaccination conspiracy theory and fake news website known for promoting alternative medicine, pseudoscience, and far-right extremism.

    The site's founder, Michael Allen "Mike" Adams, gained attention after posting a blog entry implying a call for violence against proponents of GMO foods, and then allegedly creating another website with a list of names of alleged supporters. He has been accused of using "pseudoscience to sell his lies". Adams has described vaccines as "medical child abuse".

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    Overall, we rate Natural News a Questionable source based on the promotion of quackery level pseudoscience and conspiracy theories, as well as extreme right-wing bias. This is one of the most discredited sources on the internet.

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    Bias Rating: FAR RIGHT CONSPIRACY-PSEUSDOSCIENCE
    Factual Reporting: VERY-LOW


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      • Overall, we rate The Daily Expose a Tin-Foil Hat Conspiracy and Quackery level Pseudoscience website based on promoting false and misleading information regarding Covid-19.
    Detailed Report
    Bias Rating: CONSPIRACY-PSEUDOSCIENCE
    Factual Reporting: VERY LOW

    History
    Founded in November 2020 and based in the United Kingdom, The Daily Expose publishes Covid-19 conspiracy and anti-vaccination news. The website completely lacks transparency as they do not provide an about page, disclose authors, editors, or owners.

    On April 2, 2021, The Daily Expose reports that Twitter suspended them for 12 hours due to violations.


     
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  3. Eadora

    Eadora Well-Known Member

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    Get a New Shovel Buster -
    YOUR Bogus "Fact Checkers" have been thoroughly Discredited & EXPOSED
    as filthily corrupt Corporate & Government Astro-Turf Shills - And any credibility
    they might have to any honest broker has has been
    Destroyed and found here to be
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    So I ask YOU - Consider YOUR Source
    Facebook Quietly Admits in Court Filing
    that ‘Fact Checks’ Are Actually Just Opinion

    https://thefreethoughtproject.com/facebook-fact-check-opinion/

    Damning Lawsuit Against Facebook for Defamation

    Over Bogus ‘Fact-Checking’
    https://thefreethoughtproject.com/fact-check-facebook-defamation-john-stossel/
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    & further the DATA reported in "Natrual; News" was not from
    "Natural Ne
    ws" - but from "Public Health Scotland" so even
    YOUR attempt at Ad HOMINEM is EXPOSED as dishonest & BPOGUS
    ,
     
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  4. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You think I used Facebook? LOL.

    Consider the source!

    You are quoting from sites that are well known propaganda / conspiracy outlets.

    Or what the heck, - feel free to lap it up and take it for gospel.
     
  5. Eadora

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    We are talking here: of how YOUR Fact Checkers have been EXPOSED
    . .................................................................... by their misuse of Facebook

    Perhaps if YOU had even a small thought beyond the transparent scrim of YOUR bias,
    and a modicum of honesty beyond the ridicule of YOUR "tin hat" ad Hominem - YOU
    might be able to could bring YOURSELF to consider the cold FACTS that are
    the "Court Filings" and the DATA provided by "Public Health Scotland"
     
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  6. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Consider the source.

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    What a terrible thought for leftists. No more Covid...
     
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  8. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why wouldn't they want to ride on even better economy?
     
  9. Eadora

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    Considering the Sources

    The "Court Filings" and "Public Health Scotland" aren't good enough for YOU ?
    YOU prefer sources that declare themselves to be unbiased "Fact Checkers" yet have been
    EXPOSED as corrupt and BOGUS Astro-Turf Cockroaches hiding under an MSM rug ?
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  10. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why don't you read what Public Health Scotland actually reports as opposed to believing what conspiracy sites claim they said?

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  11. Eadora

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    ................ [​IMG]
    [​IMG] THANX for the Bug ! [​IMG] I'll add him to my collection

    So YOU play me a Herd of Ants - I see YOU a Cockroach
    .............................................. You raise me a Gigantic BUG !

    & I [​IMG]Cha !
    ............. [​IMG]with GRAPHS constructed from the Scottish DATA [​IMG]

    Table 19 of the latest ‘Covid-19 Statistical Report’ shows the number of Covid-19 cases per week
    by vaccination status. We’ve created the following charts on the published data from several reports,
    including the most recent published December 1st

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    Table 20 of the latest ‘Covid-19 Statistical Report’ shows the number of Covid-19 hospitalizations
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    week by vaccination status.
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    Table 21 of the latest ‘Covid-19 Statistical Report’ shows the number of Covid-19 deaths per week
    by vaccination status.

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    Pandemic Of The Vaccinated

    The data available from Public Health Scotland stretching back 14 weeks proves very much that this
    is a pandemic of the fully vaccinated, and with the vaccinated accounting for 6 in every 10 cases (57%),
    7 in every 10 hospitalisations (70%), and 9 in every 10 Covid-19 deaths (85%) since at least August,


    ALSO OF PARAMOUNT IMPORTANCE

    this also PROVES that the Covid-19 vaccines have already been ineffective for months.


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    The data shows that the fully vaccinated have accounted for the vast majority of Covid-19 deaths by
    a long way since at least August 14th. In the past four weeks along there were just
    59 deaths among
    the unvaccinated population whilst
    407 deaths occurred among the vaccinated population.

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  12. FreshAir

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    denmark is 88 percent vaccinated, so this just shows that anyone can get the virus

    we have always known this, the vaccine helps your body fight the virus if you do get it, it doesn't prevent you from getting it

    talk about trying to spin the stats
     
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    Yep.
     
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    That’s not how vaccines are supposed to work.
     
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    Yes, the idea is to keep you from getting sick.
     
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    I grew up on the idea that vaccines do prevent infection.
     
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    Well, they don't, - they help your immune system fight it. For example flu shots help you fight the virus, but it can't prevent the virus from falling on you.
     
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    Flu shots do work against the strain they were designed for. Those who get flu after getting the shot just encountered a different strain.
    All of our childhood vaccines successfully prevent infection. It takes immunized individual less than 10 hours to start producing antibodies, while not immunized individuals can take up to 14 days. 10 hours is not enough for those pathogens to get to a point where they cause symptoms or cause their host to spread it further. So, vaccines absolutely should prevent infection they were designed for.
     
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    Yes, they help your immune system defeat the infection. That is what immunity is all about.

    Antibodies......to fight the infection. There is no need for antibodies if there is no infection.
     
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    Why are playing these games?
    Vaccination should prevent symptoms and prevent further spread of the pathogen. That’s not what we are seeing.
     
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    I'm not. I am simply telling you things which practically everyone else already know.

    It prevents symptoms. Without symptoms, the presence of the virus is irrelevant to the carrier, but it can still spread. How do you think native indians died of diseases which white men were immune to? They got it from the white men who still carried it but didn't get sick from it.
     
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    That may be the Idea. But the Facts show that these EXPERIMENTAL Vaccines
    DO NOT
    work as promised. And they loose much of their efficacy in very short order
    And people who have taken them are getting Sick & Dying in spite of them.

    You Can Ignore The Facts At Your Peril


    EXACTLY ! - Perhaps we are NOT seeing prevention and further spread of
    the pathogen because as many reputable scientists have repeatedly pointed out :

    "The Endothelial aspects of this Disease have been shown to be
    the direct result of the
    'SPIKE PROTEIN TOXINs' - Which are
    the fundamental
    Idea upon which these Vaccines are built "


    .
     
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    These vaccines do prevent infection. Very well two weeks after the second dose. By 2-3 months post vaccination they do not prevent infection well. We had hoped for longer protection from infection by vaccines but alas it isn’t to be. Natural infection is a bit more durable.

    People who claim the vaccines ONLY decreases severity of disease fell for another lie. People who claim vaccines prevent infection on a grand scale 3-6 months after vaccination are also misinformed. It’s an issue of elapsed time, really. Early they prevent infection, later they don’t. But severity of disease prevention is more durable. That’s the good news.
     
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    Vaccines train the immune system to fight the virus if\when you do get it
    vaccines are not like condoms that prevent you from getting the virus
     
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    One reason Omicron may be more common in the vaccinated compared to the unvaccinated could be a function of natural immunity being more common in the unvaccinated. Memory B cell maturation/differentiation is much more pronounced after natural infection compared to vaccination. This means antibodies from these “better” memory B cells have higher affinity for new variants. An individual with naturally acquired immunity would be more likely to have a very mild or asymptomatic reinfection than someone with a vaccine breakthrough infection, especially as time from vaccination/previous infection increases.
     
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