Omicron spreads mostly among vaccinated

I would just like to remind that the "data" that the Blaze produced a number of weeks ago is still a blatant lie, just as it was back then.

 

I already answered you on this, remember??

You can call almost anything a factor. The issue is what factors actually made a difference that can be detected.

Again, economists point to the reason for the inflation we experienced being the disruption caused by people working from home, or losing their jobs, changing their buying habits, methods of entertainment, the degree to which they invested in home improvements and equipped home offices, etc.

That is, all the sorts of changes that came from people changing their lives to live in a pandemic ridden society.

That caused significant changes that business concerns had to respond to. That was difficult and the attempts made included significant missteps. It also included issues with overseas trade and the changes necessary there for this reason stated above.

 

Not in relation to inflation, just the overall effect on the economy. Again, the discussion that I was having with @LangleyMan was about the effects of lockdowns on the economy. Obviously you're not denying that they had a drastic effect.

 

I don't see evidence that "lockdowns" were a significant cause of the reduction in employment.

Plus, there are well documented cases of disaster where plants didn't close down. One can look at meat packing to see cases of that. The result was that whole communities became sick due to contact among workers, and the plants had to reduce or close because of that. Remember that those cases were explicitly exempted by Trump from abiding by any of the recommended remediation.

Claiming we would have been better off had we NOT done the lockdowns we did is not a logical conclusion.

Besides, economists say that the lasting problem has come from other sources that I have repeatedly pointed out to you.

 

Yes, lockdowns had an effect, but so did the virus without lockdowns. Too many people with the virus will cause us to end up writing off a lot of capital supporting in-person service businesses.

Will we have effective treatments, or will the virus become relatively benign? Perhaps we'll have the holy grail of a corona virus vaccine. If we can break the inverse link between the amount of virus circulating and the volume of in-person services demanded, we can avoid a reckoning when the government subsidies stop.

 

I would say that lockdowns had very little effect, as there were going to be massive changes due to the loss of business in so many industries (which you mention) and to people following sound medical advice.

Beyond that, corporations and other employers had to make business decisions in planning for what they thought the pandemic economy would be like. Then, they had to make the changes to follow that plan.

Those changed involved employment, import channels, manufacturing required to meet very different demand, and pretty much everything else. It also included guesses concerning how long they could last, should the pandemic continue - as it did.

Obviously, this was new ground. Significant mistakes were made. And, plans were clearly difficult to enact.

Every little bit makes a difference, of course. But, in no way could the lockdowns have accounted for the economic hit of the pandemic and the inflation that has followed.

Let's remember that inflation has come about because of rising employment and continuing problems with providing those goods. Low supply + high demand = inflation.

 

It's VERY simple. The economy was BOOMING before March 2020. Then it all went to crap. Gee I wonder what happened.

 

Seriously? You haven't heard of the COVID pandemic???

 

Specifically, I've heard of the policies in RESPONSE to the pandemic. One of which was lockdowns which obviously damaged the economy.

 

I'm sure that everything made some small amount of difference.

The major difference came in the changes people made in their lives. Their employment changed, their entertainment changed, their time was taken up by different activities, etc.

In order to maintain an equivalent economy in terms of employment, products, etc., businesses had to make in changing in order to match the changing economy.

That's where the problem came in. Businesses had to toss their business plans and try to figure out how their customers would change, how their sources would change, etc.


Again, that's why we are experiencing inflation. People are employed and thus have money, but the products they want are in short supply.

 

Wouldn't it be nice if we came up with a credible committee to investigate the impact of various mitigation measures?

 

The economy was also hurt by circulating virus. Getting rid of restrictions on business activity won't solve the demand problems facing many in-person services businesses. How will you help them? At least some people are staying away from restaurants, bars, clubs, malls, not traveling, and so on.

 

There are committees such as that in EVERY first world country.

That is NOT the problem.

The problem is that people do not want to listen to science. Plus, they DO want to use these issues as a weapon against government, against political enemies, or whatever, without ANY concern for the health of US citizens!!

How did you not know that?

 

This is the problem.
I have a business. I have no idea what comes next. Economic crises, done that, several times. I just shrug my shoulders, no big deal.
But this, I have no fooking idea, just flying by the seat of my pants.
My supplies I can not get stuff, I used to have plenty of suppliers to choose of. If I have to pay up to 50% more than 2020.
Electronic parts, had to stock up on them, 200% price increase, I lucked out and just had a 50% price increase last year.
Some of my day to day supplies have been out of order for weeks. I have to buy them from Europe, Australia and so on.
Never seen anything like.
Naturally all those cost increases have to be passed on to the customer, that feeds inflation.

 

Well, not exactly. The can be pressured politically to participate.

That should be the claim used to push them to participate.

I've been around many political fights over the years with the Forces of Darkness. I know these folks well.

 

~ That seems to be the agenda...

~ Sad but true ...

 

Absolutely. Economists point this out as what happened across the board, including through to now.

My brother works for a company that sends some high tech components to other countries for assembly with other parts manufactured there and then bringing it back here for final productization and sales.

That's what made sense for keeping costs low. But, there was no step in that process that didn't need to be rethought, including what customers might even continue to want.

It seems pretty much all the information that businesses depend on got seriously compromised.

 

How would this be beneficial to ANYONE??

You are skipping over the facts in order to reach an unsupportable conclusion.

 

That's a Liberal lie, but I guess Liberals will believe anything so long as it supports their differently twisted beliefs.

 

What makes you think that was a lie?

Just curious!

 

Truth makes me know it is a lie.

That and the fact the source is Pukipedia.

Everything everyone knows about TSUS comes from a Göbbels-style propaganda book called Bad Blood written by a racist named Jones.

That becomes obvious if you look through the book. The faces of White doctors are prominent and they are full-face photos. The only two photos of Black doctors are in the back of the book and their faces are obscured. In a photo called "the spinal tap photo" the names of the White doctors are preceded with "Dr" but the Black doctor actually performing the spinal tap has only his name. That is intended to mislead you into believing he was just a Black stooge/cooley doing the bidding of his White masters. Jones provides the curriculum vitae for all the White doctors, but for none of the Black doctors, lest you might thing they really are doctors.

There are some group photos, but most of the Black doctors are misidentified or mislabeled, like Dr. Branche as part of USPHS, when he was in fact the clinical director at the Tuskegee Veterans' Hospital, which was a Black-run hospital because the military hadn't been desegregated yet and it worked in conjunction with the Tuskegee Institute -- a Black-run college-- which had on its campus the John A. Williams Hospital -- a Black-run hospital because White hospitals were reluctant to treat Blacks.

Jones identifies 4 of 5 White members of an ad hoc committee, but the mostly Black ad hoc committee from HEW (the Department of Health, Education & Welfare) appear as a footnote in the back of the book.

Jones quotes White doctors using in-line/in-text citations, but the quotes of Black doctors are just footnotes in the back of the book.

At the 1969 ad hoc committee meeting which discussed continuing the study, one doctor thought is was justified and should be continued, but his comments appear as a footnote in the back of the book, because he was Dr. Broadus Butler and quite Black.

All of that is intended to make people believe White racists dreamed up this study, but it was actually Black doctors and their White colleagues concerned about the welfare of people, and of Blacks in particular.

In the study, investigators enrolled a total of 600 impoverished African-American sharecroppers from Macon County, Alabama.

Would you like to know why? As Dr. Clark, a Black doctor put it, Blacks were more cooperative than Whites.

This is Macon County, Alabama in 1939. The heart of the evangelical bible thumping belt.

Who seriously believes a White man would come forward? In the little brains of the evangelical crowd, if you got syphilis, then it's because you're an adulterer or a fornicator or both which means you're a sinner and you're going to Hell. You could blame your wife, but that would mean she's an adulteress or a fornicator or both and a sinner and she's going to Hell.

White men didn't want to be stigmatized.

Black churches were certainly congregational, but they preached salvation and liberation instead of hell-fire and brimstone. I'm sure there were other cultural differences.

Of these men, 399 had latent syphilis,...

They prey on people's lack of knowledge of syphilis.

The Alabama legislature passed a law in 1943 that require everyone -- Black or White -- between 14 and 50 years to get a syphilis test.

Now, why would they do that?

Because TSUS had already published 2 articles about their study of syphilis and the Alabama law was based on those articles.

But, why was age 50 the cut-off?

Because on Earth, nobody treated syphilis patients older than 50 years.

It's 1945 and you're White and richy-rich and you go to the most prestigious medical facility in the US, which would be the Mayo Clinic, they would not treat you, because the risk of death or a drastically shortened life-span was way too great.

Okay, let's say you're 42 instead of 50, but you've had syphilis for 15 years or more. They're still not gonna treat you.

None of the infected men were treated with penicillin despite the fact that, by 1947, the antibiotic was widely available and had become the standard treatment for syphilis.

That's false. Penicillin was available in 1947, but doctors were reluctant to use it except in life-saving instances.

That's because no one had done any studies on the long-term effects of penicillin and because patients were dying of anaphylactic shock because they were allergic to it and there was no way to know that before-hand.

Remember, there's no such thing as Epi-pens then, and they don't even have defibrillators yet.

It's also false because penicillin was not the standard treatment for syphilis and no studies had been done on latent syphilis.

The results of the Blue Star study showed penicillin was only effective if the duration of infection was less than 4 years.

If you bother to read the article by the World Health Organization published in 1956 in the Archives of Internal Medicine it says penicillin is not effective for latent syphilis, ie older than 50 years or having been infected for 15 years or more.

You might want to look at USPHS data, because if penicillin was the wonder drug that cured syphilis then why did syphilis rates triple between 1954 and 1959?

Kinda reminds you of Media reports: "Russia is advancing annihilating Ukraine block after block" and then 5 seconds later "Russia is losing badly." Um, which is it?

Only in the US Media can continually advancing forces be "losing."

The study continued, under numerous Public Health Service supervisors, until 1972, when a leak to the press resulted in its termination on November 16 of that year.

There was no "leak."

A total of 14 articles were published in peer-reviewed medical journals in the US for all to read. Those 14 articles consisted of 12 original articles and then 2 of the original articles were published a decade or more after they were originally published, but all were published before 1969.

There was nothing "secret" about TSUS. All of the Black doctors at the Tuskegee Institute, the John Williams Hospital, the Tuskegee Veteran's Hospital, and in HEW and the USPHS were supporting the study and it was public knowledge.

Oh, I almost forgot. HEW's health commission published a report in 1972 five months before the, um, "leak" that studies should be conducted to determine the effectiveness of penicillin on latent syphilis.

Liberal fuzzy math doesn't work. If one entered the experiment in 1939, then by 1954 all of them have latent syphilis.

And by 1972, there still was no effective treatment for latent syphilis.

That begs the question: How can you withhold treatment that doesn't exist?

The treatment regimen on Earth for latent syphilis was Arsenic and Bismuth compounds, which are heavy metals and poisons, except in the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand which used Mercury compounds.

That's why nobody treated people over 50 or those who had it 15 years or more because the treatment would kill you. Studies proved that.

That's TSUS and the Oslo Study conducted in Olso, Norway and the Stanford Study were all about.

Nobody objects to the Stanford Study. That was 2,566 subjects of which 1,600 were White, 666 were Black and 300 were Asian or Amer-Indian (the term used for "Native Americans" at the time).

Those studies proved at the time that not treating it was better than treating it.

By then, 28 patients had died directly from syphilis, 100 died from complications related to syphilis, 40 of the patients' wives were infected with syphilis, and 19 children were born with congenital syphilis.

Don't you wonder why they don't mention the number of men who lived into their 90s? Yeah, that's right, 7 of the men lived into their 90s.

In 1973, Dr. Cobb -- who happens to be a Black doctor -- wrote that the study showed that those treated for syphilis in the 1930s had a mortality rate 10%-20% higher than those that were treated, and although penicillin was widely available, it's effectiveness on syphilis was in doubt because rates kept increasing.

One other thing. He said there is no proof that anyone in TSUS was subjected to the avoidable risk of death or physical harm.

You have to remember that the Nuremburg Code doesn't exist in 1939. That doesn't come until 1946 and the ethical codes we use weren't formulated until after that.

Even so, in the absence of avoidable risk of death or physical harm, it is not an ethical violation.

It is not possible to die "directly from syphilis" and the claim that children were born with congenital syphilis is unfounded and unsubstantiated. In fact, those claims didn't arise until a few years ago.

While I wouldn't be surprised that 100 died of complications from syphilis, there was no effective treatment for latent syphilis, so they would have died anyway.

 

I was catching up with a friend yesterday. She was diagnosed with sleep apnea in November 2021. She still doesn't have her CPAP machine. There aren't enough machines being produced due to the pandemic's impact on the raw goods needed to make them. I hadn't even thought about things like that because I already have all my medical required medical equipment. It's going to take a minute to fully recover.

 

Did not read much of the thread yet but Covid rates are highest in South Korea a country that has had a total of over 120 million vaccination shots out of a population of 52 million. That's 2.3 shots per person on average.

Yes it is mainly Omnicron.

The science is always changing just like Joe Biden's diaper.

Democrat science is:

 

How do you explain Canada with 38m people?



Covid deaths in Canada are declining.

Reported cases, BTW, represent PCR tests generally reserved for older folks.

 

There has been a huge shift from in-person services to goods. Purchases of Chinese goods increase by 25%. The system was ready for a change that dramatic.