One basic fact is undeniable by the "pro-lifers"....if they got their wish and

Interesting point. Dehumanize the enemy is a strategy to employ when killing something less than a person, chattel or viewed as a parasite etc.. Military has been using this exercise for decades because it is effective, at least in the short term.

A preacher's mission is to share the good news...but we all have doubts from time to time...some might say that failing makes us human...unless of course you're numbered among the unborn upon the abortion altar.

 

Ah! But some preachers use proselytising as validation for e - especially when they seek to divide the world into "us and them" with "them" being mischaracterised

Although it is hard to de-humanise what is not really "human"

But my personal stance is more complicated than that and rests on medical necessity

I would enjoy a debate surrounding the medical necessity of abortion and how you could possibly legislate to take that into account whilst still ensuring that we do not increase the maternal mortality rate

 

Again, in this entire thread...have you seen ONE "pro-lifer" deny my initial point?

That a national re-criminalization of abortion....would only effect poor women?

 

of course i dont give a crap about the factors driving abortion. you cant justify killing an innocent child, created out of your own fault, for the simple reason of convenience. sorry, but thats never gona fly with me.

you know i was born as the result of an unplanned pregnancy. but my parents are loving, and would never kill their own child. if my parents were like you, i would have just been dead, and wouldnt even be mourned.... i'd just be another number

 

So conception is a "fault"?!?!?!?

Very interesting statement, RTL.

 

It's funny that you're one of the people who say women get abortions out of convenience. You're also a big fan of convenience yourself. You conveniently dismiss everyone else's perspective on this except your own and those who agree with you and think by speaking absolutely that you get to be the sole person to frame the issue. Life exists from more than your one perspective.

 

well if your going to view it as something unwanted and bad. then yes its the womans fault. not the babies.

 

of course i do. when the other side is for murdering innocent human beings. why would i even take that perspective into consideration lol

 

lol? LOL? How can you write a sentence about "murdering innocent human beings," and end it with "lol"? You don't believe it yourself.

 

because its like saying someone is unreasonable for not listening to the arguments of the nazis and how to kill the jews.... its lol because its stupid. like if hitler was saying everyone is evil for not listening to his position.

 

Or the fertilised egg that eventually became you might never have initially implanted or if it implanted it might have developed into a "blighted Ovum" instead of an foetus or it might have miscarried naturally

Lots of things MIGHT have happened - some believe that ensoulment is separate to fertilisation in which case your soul instead of implanting into the foetus that was you might have attached to a foetus belonging to some really really rich couple - ever think of that?

 

And the man - he obviously has no fault in this correct?

Are you aware that nearly 50% of women having abortion were using a method of contraception?

 

Bravo - you just invoked Godwin's law - and by internationally accepted criteria that means you just lost the argument

 

Read the post again. Why would you think you know for certain the answers that scholars have argued for all time without consensus?

 

It's YOUR view....YOU said it, not me. YOU alluded to a conception being somebody's "fault", didn't YOU?

 

I think RTL pretty much lost any argument on abortion....when she admitted that she would like to see that women who took RU-486 would be EXECUTED for "murder".

 

My usual answer to that sort of ignorance is to ask if they would also execute a woman for eating Paw Paw while pregnant - since Paw Paw is an abortifacient

 

RTL has an extensive list of people who she'd like to see killed.....soldiers in pointless wars, women taking RU-486, immigrants "invading" our country. The extensiveness of the list of those on her hit list is extremely highlighted by the fact she is what would be termed a "pro-LIFER".

Be interesting to see what she would say about shooting "invading immigrants"....who were pregnant, wouldn't it?

 

You can me to that list as RTL has told numerous times to go and "off" myself.

 

its 100% the woman's choice to have an abortion.

and i thought you said its a womans body and she has complete responsibility for it? at the same time you cant blame a man for the woman's failure to prevent her own unwanted pregnancy.

again that 50% stat is completely off. makes no sense just because you tell a surveyor that you used a contraception method during the month you got pregnant is absolutely meaningless.

1. you could be lying
2. doesnt mean you used contraception the sexual encounter you got pregnant

 

no I didnt... people who want abortions do.

 

im pro justice. pro life on the issue of abortion and pro innocent life. im not pro evil murderer's life.

 

if you want to kill people because the world is overpopulated. all i ask is that you start with yourself

 

No, it is a well researched statistic and one I note that you have conveniently dismissed as "makes no sense" Sorry old thing but just saying "it makes no sense" does not negate a researched and established FACT

Want to PROVE me wrong by researched data - please feel free to go ahead but I am no longer spending time posting links validating information to have them dismissed out of hand because my opponent cannot accept the world may not wag the way they want it to.

 

Please quote me where I say I "want to kill people because the world is over populated."