One basic fact is undeniable by the "pro-lifers"....if they got their wish and

you support abortion because you "dont want to feed the extra 1.2 million people" or some (*)(*)(*)(*) like that....

 

okay how about this.... i asked my whole school a question: have you ever cheated on a test? and 50% of them answered yes. so you prove me wrong.

you can't. theyres no way to prove or disprove a survey in which the people taking it can answer whatever the hell they want to. thats not fact. not by a long shot

 

Wow! And what makes you think that the students were being honest with you when they answered

We are talking SCHOOL students - kids who a) have a reason to cheat on a test and b) might answer a "survey" like yours wrongly just to (*)(*)(*)(*) you off

There are WAYS to check the answers on surveys are correct - if there were not do you think that so many companies would be making money off of them in market research? Geesh! Do a bit of googling on the subject for heaven's sake before you decide that you know more than people who have been studying this subject for years

 

I invite anybody reading that...to go back a few pages and see WHO IT WAS who used the term "fault" in relation to the idea of a conception.

 

This is essentially the same argument that Fox News was feeding its audience with their line about "skewed polls" to dismiss the polling (even by Fox itself) that showed the President ahead of Romney.

Basic, simple...ignoring of reality or dismissing it because it didn't comport to the way the person WANTS things to be.

 

and what makes you think women who answered the survey you brought up were being honest?

theyres no difference

 

That is your quote not mine, so please for the second time of asking please provide the quote where I say I "want to kill people because the world is over populated." .. If you can't then I suggest you withdraw the comment, otherwise you lose even more creditably than you already have, how can anyone be expected to take anything you say as true when you lie so easily.

 

I did....

because thats how pro abortion people view it. they view it as a mistake that needs to be corrected. and theyre putting the blame on the child.

obviously i dont view conception as a fault. its a blessing. the greatest blessing anyone can get. but to someone who wants to kill the baby, and is blaming it on contraception failure, being a mistake, or whatever bull(*)(*)(*)(*) they can come up with is obviously looking for something to blame. in which they should look no where else except the mirror

 

why do i have to go back and look for your quotes that i know exist and that everyone on this forum has seen. i dont have to do anything, i know what you said, you know what you said. i dont need to dig up old quotes. its a waste of my time

 

In other words I didn't say it and so even if you looked you wouldn't find it .. basically you are a liar, and as such anything you post from now on I will treat accordingly. I despise liars.

 

There is - it is apples and oranges.

For a start there is no advantage in "cheating" on a survey and secondly ALL surveys of this kind have embedded questions which are used to verify the responses - it might be the same question asked in a slightly different way, it might be some demographic data it might be a lot of things.

Your "population" for your survey was a confined population localised to one school. So there will be local factors affecting that response i.e. did the students talk amongst themselves about how they would answer? Is your school particularly inept at preventing cheating? Are you the questioner unpopular at your school? Was this a verbal survey or was it a written response that was anonymous with none of the students knowing who was collating the data? Was this a single question - open answer or was it a multichoice response? How was the data validated?

Compare that to surveys conducted at multiple sites across a large population and in the case of the 50% statistic - across more than one survey on more than one continent

Now there is such a thing as "google scholar" if you do not know about it LEARN and put it on your bookmarks.

Here is an example of the RESEARCH PAPERS on the subject
http://scholar.google.com.au/schola...&sa=X&ei=ZY_kUMmpLIiviQemmIBA&ved=0CDEQgQMwAA

When you read the research papers (and the second task you do when you are conducting research is to do a "literature search" which means reading through what other people have found and reported) you will find that a background to the statistic of 50% of women were using contraception is the research that has established that 70% of women of child bearing age use contraception

 

I haven't seen anything like you are claiming but I have seen a lot of claims that this is the case

 

Thank You .. Actually I'll ask anyone who is reading this thread to try and find where I say what RTL is accusing me of.

 

well since your going to be that much of an ignorant poster...

go ahead, prove where i told you to go "off yourself" please provide proof for what we all know already happened. if you cant find it or dont care enough to go find it, then it never happened. according to your logic

 

Don't have to - I reported it and it has probably been deleted by a moderator

 

so... no proof then? never happened then

 

Meanwhile I note you are using avoidance strategies to dodge the points I have made about surveys and the fact that 50% of women seeking abortion had been on contraception

 

because theyres no proof. a question survey doesnt hold any weight because it is a question and people can answer whatever way they want. regardless of the truth or not.

 

Just because this may be what you would do does not mean others would do the same

Again look up market research and you will see there are ways of validating responses - you think there is not?

Besides some data is taken from not just surveys but reviews of scripts etc especially in places like UK where NHS tracks how much of each medication the population as a whole would be taking

So if MULTIPLE sources of data from multiple countries all indicate the same thing - then is that not validated?

 

i would answer a question truthfully....

doesnt mean im foolish enough to believe others would do the same. and doesnt mean that i would also be foolish enough to drop common sense at any point that might give my side of the argument an advantage.

 

And you are displaying some barriers to cognitive development there

http://ehlt.flinders.edu.au/education/DLiT/2000/Piaget/stages.htm

Just because the blocks are spread out does not mean there is more of them

Learn - there are no black and white answers only shades of grey

 

exactly... its shades of gray... so why do you just want to see it as black? that all women are being 100% truthful and that they all used contraception the exact time they got pregnant.

seriously, follow your own advise.

 

How dumb do you think researchers are? This is what I have been trying to tell you - there are ways to account for that however to just dismiss research because "people lie therefore it can't be right" is to fall into black and white thinking

True adult thinking is to accept some maybe wrong but there will be a "core truth" we can even quantify that by discussing "confidence levels"

Now tell me - do you believe you know more about a subject than someone who has studied the same subject for years on end?

 

yes, as i said earlier i do dismiss most abortion facts. since its been proven that they are often fabricated. how do we know these "researchers" arent working for say, planned parenthood? in this day and age, corruption is everywhere. im not going to deny that just because I like the results of a fabricated poll

 

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