Other than claims of increased public safety, is there any other argument for gun control

Is there any legitimate argument for gun control other than the claims that increased gun control will increase public safety. And define increased gun control as laws that further restrict what lawful gun owners can do. Those already adjudicated too dangerous to own guns, are banned by 18 USC 922 from even possessing firearms. and I don't define increased gun control as heightened sentences for felons caught with guns or for those who commit crimes with firearms such as bank robbery or murder.

Increased gun control are laws that further restrict the actions of those who can or do own guns such as

1) waiting periods to buy guns
2) limits on how many guns you can buy or own in a certain period of time
3) having to obtain a license to own or buy firearms
4) bans on specific types of firearms
5) magazine capacity restrictions
6) mandatory insurance or training requirements

As I have noted, I don't believe there is any valid argument for imposing such restrictions on law abiding citizens other than the unproven claims that public safety is advanced. and pro gun advocates can counter even a successfully established claim that some type of gun control increases public safety by noting the costs associated with such a law (just as a national ban on cars being operated at speeds higher than 35 MPH would clearly save lives but will also impose costs too high for most people to accept)

 

I won't participate in the poll because it presumes that gun control is a legitimate argument for crime control. Gun crimes stats have been falling with the status quo.

 

Those laws reduce gun deaths. There can be no better argument than that

 

I understand that but I think you misunderstand what I am saying

I agree that gun control does not increase public safety but that is an argument gun controllers make. and if they could absolutely prove (they cannot but that isn't the issue) that such restrictions increase safety that would at least be an argument worth considering. IS THERE ANY other argument for gun control that even meets a smell test-ie if it is proven true it has merit

 

States with lax gun control have the most gun deaths

 

that is based on your unproven opinion and you have answered you don't have any other argument.

since you only have one argument and since you cannot establish that your one argument even meets a More likely than not test, it is irrational for you to support gun control

now I will state my opinion on why you frantically post anti gun comments all over this and another board, hundreds of posts a day: you really aren't motivated by crime control goals (which are at best speculative) but rather your real motivation is based on a political hatred of the pro gun movement and you support laws designed to harass gun rights voters and the NRA

 

this is a worthless comment because you dishonestly try to mix criminal activity with suicides.

 

Dead is dead. I want less dead. YMMV

 

You are entitled to your opinion but you can't change the facts. Gun control saves lives. Lives you may not care about but others do

 

You are entitled to spew nonsense but you cannot change the facts, you want to pass laws to harass people who don't buy into your leftwing agenda. You only pretend to care about lives so you can use the blood of innocents to white wash our constitutional rights

if you really believed that restrictions on honest Americans are going to deter CRIMINALS you'd have spent more time researching that fact and have created better arguments rather than spamming silly one liners on two boards over and over and over

spewing its just a FORM OVER AND OVER HUNDREDS OF TIMES is not proof

 

You can not change the facts. You can not deny that states with lax gun control have the most deaths. You can not deny that waiting periods reduce suicides and homicides. You have even admitted it. You just don't care about those lives

 

the only thing you want is less rights for people who didn't vote for Hillary clinton.

you also are unable to dispute this

the laws VEGAS WANTS TO IMPOSE CLEARLY AND UNDENIABLY RESTRICT THE FREEDOM OF LAW ABIDING AMERICANS

the RESTRICTIONS AND DIMINUTION OF FREEDOM VEGAS FAVORS IS NOT GUARANTEED OR EVEN LIKELY TO DECREASE CRIME

I and most freedom supporting Americans REJECT CLEAR RESTRICTIONS ON OUR RIGHTS based on the speculative promise that our loss of freedom will allegedly make some people safer

 

there is no evidence waiting periods reduce homicides. and there is no evidence that waiting periods have any relationship to suicides decreasing when the waiting period is applied to current gun owners

stopping the potential suicides of .00001% of new gun buyers by restricting the rights of 100 million people is not valid.

 

You can shout it from the mountain tops if you like. But you can't change the facts. Gun control results in less dead people while you can still have your guns. Those are just the facts

 

1700 lives could be saved a year with gun control. I know you do not care about these lives but others do

 

vegas has admitted he has no argument in favor of increased harassment of honest gun owners other than the faith based belief that harassing good people will stop bad people from committing the crimes they already commit despite being legally banned from owning guns

 

Turtle has admitted that gun control can save lives but that he does not care about those lives.

 

that sounds like the Head and shoulders advertisement that the cute Columbian chick pushes

it will keep your scalp up to 100% flake free. well duh but that is far different than saying it will keep your scalp 100% flake free.

such waiting periods applied to new gun owners who are white males between 55 and 60 might stop a few suicides. or more likely delay a few suicides. there is no evidence that gun shot suicides ae committed by new gun owners within 3 days of buying the gun

so its all speculation on your side vs hard facts on ours

you have never been able to honestly admit these facts

1) that your intended goals will harass millions of Americans

2) that your intended laws will harass the people who cause very little gun crime but will not change the legal environment for those who cause the vast majority of gun crimes


until you start honestly admitting major facts in this argument, no one can take your claim seriously or believe you real goal is SOMETHING other than the harassment of lawful gun owners.

 

why do you constantly dishonestly misrepresent what I said. I deny this but I have stated even if IT DID (even if-focus on that) its not worth the cost

 

you don't care about innocent lives, you care about using the deaths of the innocent to strip away the rights of people who didn't vote for clinton

 

If you cared about saving those lives you would support gun control. You don't

 

Of course those lives are not worth filling out a form to you. To you they are worth nothing

 

if you supported the constitution and the rights of honest americans you wouldn't push gun control. the only lives you want to save are the lives of violent criminals. after all they didn't vote against clinton

 

you want to harass honest gun owners with silly forms.

 

A person's life is more important than anything else. Except to you