Philadelphia considering reinstating mask mandates inside.

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  1. AlpinLuke

    AlpinLuke Well-Known Member

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    What do you mean? [Bieber's song ...].
     
  2. AlpinLuke

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    [1] Who told you this? I've been dealing with this pandemic and the real problem are those persons who ignore light symptoms.
    They go to work anyway, but they could [could] be contagious. They pay a visit to their granny, but they could [could] be contagious.

    [2]. I see that about this point we totally agree [are we going to make a coalition government? Sorry, this is an Italian mania! :rolleyes:].
    [3]. COVID viruses fly within droplets or macro aerosol [let's be accurate]. A FFP2 mask can filter both the entities. A mask hasn't to filter the virus ... it has to filter what carries the virus.
    [4]. I'm not a liberal, I'm a moderate conservative. But you know that Europeans came from Venus and Americans from Mars ...
    Anyway, I differentiate: mandatory vaccination should be limited to susceptible and weak subject. Like for the flu vaccine [I've never got a flu vaccine in my life, but I've got three jabs against Covid [I risk to become addicted to Covid vaccine!].
    [5]. You're tempting me ...
    But I will take it easy: in the perspective to make a coalition government, would you agree on a law requiring weak and susceptible subjects to wear a mask indoor? [I'm already writing the list of the ministers!].
     
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    This has never ever been about saving lives.
     
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    Sure: Bieber has never saved lives. I have saved lives.
     
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    [1] You said asymptomatic; you didn't say 'symptomatic' (albeit slight symptoms). Goalpost shift.

    [3] COVID viruses do not fly, and they are not only contained on or within droplets/aerosols. Did you know that droplets/aerosols can and do evaporate? --- An FFP2 mask cannot filter out viruses either (droplets/aerosols are not viruses). A mask has to filter out viruses, as droplets/aerosols evaporate and viruses are not solely contained within or on droplets/aerosols. Masks do not filter out air (what carries/suspends the virus).

    [4] Vaccines should not be mandatory for anyone. Period. It should be up to the individual to decide what gets injected into his/her own body.

    [5] No. Masks should not be mandatory for anyone. Period. It should be up to the individual to decide.
     
  6. AlpinLuke

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    [1] I'm an operator of Civil Protection, I tend to reason following a functional perspective: "asymptomatic" and persons who don't realize to have symptoms are in the same category for me.

    [2] Where is "2"????

    [3] Reality it is not that dramatic. Sure droplets can evaporate, but viruses would die in a little time.
    Obviously it depends on the kind of virus ... there are viruses which can survive many millenniums under the ice ...
    So far [so far], as for we can know [as for we can know] it doesn't seem that SARS-Cov2 is an immortal virus. But we could be wrong ...

    [4] I don't agree with you about this. Vaccine has to be mandatory for susceptible individuals [because they are susceptible].
    Why? To avoid to record a lot of deaths ...

    [5] It's your fault. I'm Italian and conservative, so imagine if I'm going to impose something to an American.
    But think for a minute [better for an hour] to the consequences of your behavior. When the usage of a mask is generally accepted the diffusion of the virus slows down.
     
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    That is the essence of “equity”. Ain’t it great?
     
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    Unfortunately it isn't even "equity". It is the persistent problem of one or two big cities' reality being used to dictate policy to the deplorable masses
     
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    WTF is an operator of civil protection?
     
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    Is that a retro post from April 2022? We are done with this lock down and mandate BS.
     
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    Don't think to Spanish Civil Protection [!!!]. In Italy it's something different.
    Civil Protection in Italy is an emergency department [to make it easy]. It's more complicated than that, but that's the nature of Italian Civil Protection. Usually operators of CP are civilian volunteers. There are different operators, less or more trained, less or more specialized.
    I'm specialized in NBC contexts.

    This was for your information.
     
  12. AlpinLuke

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    Here I lose you ... you are even beyond Italian rhetoric ...
     
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    We are doing fine without masks and without subjecting kids to suffocating face diapers.
     
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    When somebody says they are an Italian conservative working for "civil protections" I think about this.



    I could be wrong of course.

    They will always argue that whatever they do is to save lives!

    Here is an idea. Make every breathing person(Dead people are exempt) wear a face diaper. A double face diaper! Including new born babies! Every place and at all times. That way you might, emphasis on might be protecting society from all floating pathogens and you can save lives.

    Then a reasonable person comes along and objects to the nonsense they can be accused of wanting to kill babies! Especially black babies!
     
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    [1] A person who doesn't realize to have symptoms IS asymptomatic. It is two ways of saying the same thing. Another way of saying that same thing is "healthy".

    [2] We are in agreement regarding #2, so I removed it from the exchanges. Do you wish to add more to it?

    [3] COVID viruses can remain in tact for days in bone dry air.

    [4] Why can't these susceptible individuals decide for themselves whether or not they are susceptible and whether or not they wish to get vaccinated? Can they not take care of themselves?

    [5] You're saying a whole bunch of gibberbabble here.
     
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    Gibberbabble! [​IMG]
     
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    If you put a point [2] in a list you cannot make it suddenly disappear ... come on!

    Anyway ...

    [1] There are persons who don't realize to have symptoms because they consider what they feel "normal" [like the ones who think to have a cold in winter].
    [2] There was a point 2 in the list ...
    [3] "In tact"? Was it "intact"? There are virus which survive for millennia. The real point is the viral load [you can get in touch with Ebola without consequences if the viral load is not enough to make you get Ebola].
    [4] From a mere perspective of principles I could think the same, but SARS-Cov2 has showed to be quite socially dangerous. If you leave it go without vaccinating the susceptible individuals ... you will have to deal with a heavy social damage [millions of deaths]. So that, it's preferable that the authorities impose something. Preferable ... any country decides its own future.
    [5] This is an old rhetorical trick used by the ones who cannot find arguments to discuss.
     

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