Plandemic

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  1. Gatewood

    Gatewood Well-Known Member

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    Ummmmmmmmm . . . other than shriek "Racist!" for anything and everything under the sun, spread conspiracy threories is what Obama supporters are notorious for doing.
     
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  2. Maccabee

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    Here's another video addressing the documentary.

     
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    Now that, Bowerbird, "trump is a great president," is indeed a CT.
     
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    They can rush to open anything but for example, TX opened their malls nearly two weeks ago and they are still empty. Restaurants that are open have spaced seating, salons staff wear masks and as it always has been, the essential equipment has been cleaned before and after each use, contractors that have direct contact with the public, for the most part, are masked.

    The point of the re-open gang was to allow the counties that were and have yet to be infected, and businesses that were really easy to take the steps to protect themselves and the public should have been open from day one. Go to Wallmart where there are literally hundreds of people next to each other for a pair of pants made in China, or walk into a men's store that usually has only a very small number of partons and get a pair made in the country of my choice. I did think it was pretty eye-opening when they started arresting citizens for attending drive-in church services.
    I just hope the governors of all the states understand what they have unleashed. Currently, they have little or no sales tax revenue coming in, the reported incomes for the 2020 tax will be disastrous for their budgets, and their ability to increase taxes on people will be a reelection nightmare, so all they can do is cut the fat out of their own staff who by the way have not missed a paycheck based on the premise that they are "working from home" since the Chinese virus was introduced to the US.
    Good news for the entrepreneurial during the crisis, ie: the salon workers, restaurant take out business, specialty trade workers, jewelers, and hundreds of other businesses, that out of necessity came to the realization that if the customer paid cash, there was no record of it ever happening and the money is off the record and goes straight to feeding their family and **** the governors.
     
  5. Bowerbird

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    Really?

    With currently threads about a “plandemic ( blamed on the democrats) “its all a hoax” blamed on the democrats “you are deliberately tanking the economy to ruin Trumps chances (blamed on the democrats) “it is not the virus killing people it is the ventilators (blamed on the democrats) and my current favourite “it is the fault of 5G networks”

    And that does not even go near the accusations that somehow democrats are holding up supplies of Hydroxychloroquin
     
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    The dems have stolen all the hydroxychloroquine.
     
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    Yup! Just to make Trump look bad:roll:roll::roll:

    Three research papers later saying HCQ is worse than useless and we STILL have trumpistas screaming about how good it is.
     
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  9. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    This was WRITTEN by Bigfoot
     
  10. God & Country

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    You didn't need to go past snopes. You'll have to do better than some unofficial biased website, c'mon.
     
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    No better than you trusting a documentary on YouTube for facts.
     
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    With respect for your view- I think you are wrong.

    There seems to be a view among many that we are a unit, something like bees who work with the same mind. Of course we are not, we are individuals with substantial creativity. That is a bit like nature does it- you each try your ideas; what works survives and grows, what does not fades and disappears. We can and should succeed independently- and the size of a society shouldn't matter. Being larger does not mean some can coast while others carry them, and the most practical way for any society or group to work is for each person to carry themselves. Thus, their reward is tied to their efforts and dedication. Nobody carries them, they carry nobody. Generosity and charity among us does reach out and support those who cannot care for themselves, but that motivation is being suppressed by the efforts of some to say you must give to government and let them decide who is worthy of help and who is not. Bad policy.

    There is fundamental confusion about the relationship of companies to employees as well. More and more people and politicians, want to turn businesses into social service agencies. Caretakers, nannies- so that people who chose to work at a job helping someone else instead of working directly for themselves no longer have to manage their own lives, or compete in any way. Consider that every employee IS actually in business for themselves, selling their personal services to a customer- who IS their employer. They both have agreed to the conditions of the job and the compensation. It's really no different than you going into a restaurant or store, and agreeing to buy something at a specified cost- except that as a customer, you expect courtesy. You expect the product to be right, and expect to be able to get your money back on demand if you aren't satisfied. You expect those you buy from to thank you for your business. You aren't going to give them health care, pay for their vacations, provide someone to care for their children so they will be able to concentrate on your needs. The nature of the business buying from you as an employee and you buying from a business as a customer are virtually reversed- with the benefits never falling to the business. No unemployment, workmans comp or benefits of any kind. The business either makes it on their own- which is totally dependent on their serving their customers well enough to win their loyalty- Or they fail.
    IF they fail, their employees will blame them for their job ending. It will be called "Bad management". Yet, many think that we should tell the employer to become this social servant, without compensation. They want guaranteed jobs, but never mention guaranteed performance in return. They want many benefits, and tell themselves the employer can afford it, so they shouldn't have to pay. It's really a one-sided view by most people- and that's the problem. Every business owner has been an employee at some time in his life, he knows how it works. However, very few employees have been business owners, they are only speculating on how that side works- and they do that very, very poorly. They are of course in the majority, and politicians are dependent on majority votes. So while we can vote to force our employers to take care of us so, we never ask ourselves how that is possible. Where will the money come from? From you as as consumer, of course. The inefficiency such a concept creates will raise the cost of doing anything. That increase in cost will be built into the price of the products you buy, along with the costs of overhead of free sick-leave, maternity leave, and all that crap. And, you will not have a choice anymore. Weather you personally use those benefits of not, you will be paying for them in everything you buy. You will lose the right to decide the nature of most of these things as well, your personal preferences will be meaningless.
    Life will NOT get better. People will NOT get stronger. Just the opposite. And once that kind of policy is enacted- you won't be able to back away from it, because everybody will be dependent on it, and have no idea how to do for themselves. Freedom of many personal choices will be gone.

    Business sees labor as an expense? Of course, because it is; usually the biggest expense they have, as well as the least reliable. Now I have a man in my family who is now about 50. His first job at 17 was as a welder's helper in a trailer factory. His industrious nature and eagerness to learn soon had him moving up. Before long, another company offered him a better deal. Same thing happened again. Today, he is the general manager of a company with several factories. In between- other positions, stepping up the line because of the value he brought to the job. Head-hunters- recruiters for high-value employees- follow his career, and frequently ask him if he would consider another step up. He makes about $300K, and has a long list of benefits. He has no college degree, no special training. His credentials are- Performance. Adaptability. Ingenuity. His compensation is earned; the companies came to him and offered it- because of value. It wasn't forced on them by laws. Companies are always in the market for something better- same as you are when you buy a car, a TV, or anything else. They want the most for their money, just as you do.

    Every business I know has bent over backwards to help their employees. Many of them won't survive this, and yet still are trying to protect their people from the consequences of the shutdowns. We hear lots of Kudos for the medical people and such, but damn little for those businesses. The majority of businesses value their employees a lot more than the employees value them, and never get appreciated for it. That is not something a society should be proud of.

    IF you can bring value to the workplace, you will find people eager to pay you what you are worth- and that is the key. IF you think you are worth more than what is offered in cash and compensations, by all means- just go out and find a better deal. That's what every company has to do, and if they don't, they will find themselves beaten by their competition. Labor IS a product for sale- the buyers have a right to seek quality and value for their money, just as you do- and it must be competitive. When it's not- you lose. Everybody loses.

    IF we don't get back to work, everybody WILL lose. The economic damage already done, even though the full impact is not here yet, will be massive; we cannot allow to get worse. We have seen a massive display of fear-inducing claims convincing people that they must hide- yet we are now seeing that most of the infections are taking place IN quarantines. People hiding in closed areas. Not exercising, not getting sunshine, with their immune systems dropping to low levels. Those are the most vulnerable.

    You have to look at the big picture, all the aspects involved in the problem. If you only react to one, you deceive yourself and what you failed to see becomes the real danger. We need to be reasonable and careful- but we need to keep the world turning too.

    Nobody is killing anybody. When you chose to drive your car, you are accepting a certain risk of injury or death. If a person chooses to open a business, they accept a certain risk that they may get the virus- or a common cold, or anything people can transmit. When a person chooses to patronize that business, they accept the same risk. In any event, no one is being forcibly exposed to anything- they are choosing to accept risk, as we all do everyday is a many ways. I don't believe I have the right to dictate to you about which risks you choose to take- and I don't believe you have the right to dictate to me. Above all- I don't think government has the right to dictate to all of us.
     
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    Hey, God & Country loves YouTube 'documentaries' for proof.
     
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    Oh my God, God & Country: How could I have been such a fool!? Tomorrow I'll have to be one of probably 10,000 to call Vanderbilt to verify her identity, because surely it is fake! Just now on PF in a secret dark forum I've found this:

    Fauci, caught on video stating that we will definitely have a pandemic during Trump’s term in office. Then he was on the phone with his contract lab in Wuhan and asked them which one they released. When he found out he started screaming, "NO, NO, YOU F’ING IDIOTS - THAT’S THE DAMN BOOMER REMOVER: SHUT IT ALL DOWN, EVERYTHING! ALL OF IT! Except the grocery and liquor stores, we’re not ready for new world order Stage Y, we’re stopping at X for now, still too many folks with guns."
     
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    :) God & Country is a hoot.
     
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    'Plandemic' the movie - - total crap.

    Judy Mikovits makes a bizarre and false claim, that the doctors and experts shaping public policy in response to the novel coronavirus pandemic have silenced dissenting voices and misled the public for sinister reasons. That's absolutely laughable and even worse it's double-striking all these thousands of people, making their deaths insignificant and secondary to her conspiracy theory which she hopes to sell her film.

    Mikovits falsely claims that wealthy people intentionally spread the virus to increase vaccination rates and that wearing face masks is harmful. Does this sound rational or reasonable to you? Do you think that wealthy people are so desperate for more wealth that they would be willing to exterminate 80k Americans with an evil virus just to sell more vaccines..... vaccines that wouldn't even be available for at least a year?

    Her film is so unreasonable that every social media platform literally scrubbed it from their websites. Did you know that Judy Mikovits was fired from her job leading a research institute, arrested for theft and sued by her former employer?

    Why would you need any more reasons not to throw this filthy conspiracy video into the garbage heap?
     
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    Kinda like an "Orange Man Bad" perception. All bad, zero good.
     
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    Evil corporations colliding with government to get rich..
    She named Bayer and monsantos
     
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    But didn’t include Spectre or Dr Stragelove? She missed the more obvious ones then

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    I'm not saying she's right, just answering your question.
     
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    Judy Mikovits' bizarre and false narrative is based on rejecting critical thinking, empirical data, and peer-reviewed research and clinical trials.
     
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    I'm not wealthy myself but know more than a few and some of them are quite obsessed with their wealth. There is a kind of sociopathy that develops when one acquires wealth even at the lowest level and that snowballs as it increases. It's worse with those born into old money, they are totally disconnected from the reality the majority us experience. They don't think like you or I, human lives are something abstract compared to their wealth. You can't even characterize this as greed because it is something beyond that, it's something I think we all suffer from to some degree and that is wanting more of everything. For people like Fauci it isn't just the money it's about power and social elevation and for him the the vehicle was and is big pharma. This industry is so disconnected from humanity that 80k or 80 million lives means nothing. These are people that have no compunction about charging diabetics $500 dollars a month for insulin or $350 dollars for an epipen. I don't personally know Fauci but know all I need to know about the company he keeps and all of the leftist groups circling the wagons around this make this even more suspicious. Why hasn't Fauci commented on any of this one might ask, it's because he's been told not to. Dr Mikovits may be silenced but won't be forgotten.
     
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    Oh please enlighten us with your critical thinking, empirical data, peer reviewed research and clinical trials. I'm sure all of these things coming from Big Pharma are all on the level. The pro vaccine thing is the new global warming canard and there's no shortage of useful idiots.
     
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    Dr. Fauci isn't a politician or corporate CEO, he has no use for power or money because he's a consummate career professions and acclaimed by peers. I don't need to either defend nor explain Dr. Fauci's credentials to you, just google them. I believe that people like yourself can't possibly comprehend that men and women who enter the field of epidemiology, infectious diseases or immunology and spend 12 years of their lives learning all they can about these things, aren't doing it for fame or fortune.
     
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