PM quits after UK votes to leave EU in historic Brexit referendum >>>MOD WARNING<<<

Attacking the personalities involved won't change the outcome of the vote or the ideas behind it.. The politicians and bureaucrats are just players who have strutted their hour on the stage. Time to let them go, drop the bitterness, and plan on the future.

 

That would be to imply that that is what I am doing. I have an opinion on the guy and I am expressing it.

Bumbling Boris has shown he hasn't the courage of his convictions. I think that Theresa May is the only worthy candidate left in the race for PM. I wouldn't be her biggest fan either, but I recognise her abilities and achievements. Gove is way too divisive a politician to lead the negotiations. May's pragmatic and logical nature may help to heal a lot of wounds. Both home and abroad.

 

'Healing the wounds' is just what's need and if Theresa May is the one to do it more power to her.. There is no need now for gloating or denigrating opponents.

May did not do well in her debate with Farage, too many platitudes and short on specifics, but of course she had to be political as well. You'd know her history better than me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpPtwD5AV9o

 

If the money wasn't give to Nigel, it would have been given to another bum, so better him.



I won, I won! I did it I won!

 

At least Farage put it to good use.

 

I have to say this.

I don't like it.

It's not that I dislike it....I just don't LIKE it.

And I will tell you why......it is a poem written in a manner that the author does not detail what HE is going to do about it!!!

The only thing worse than atrocity are those who sit idly by but even WORSE....those who talk about it and yet still do nothing!!

Although some people around the world might dislike us there is one thing I can say PROUDLY about the people of the United States.....we are much more inclined to DO SOMETHING ABOUT ATROCITY....rather than just document it or talk about it.

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Then reason he is so despised by a certain section of us(!!) is because he has so often forced them to realise their previous beliefs and rationalising were fatally flawed. It's what liberals do - they loathe anyone who proves them wrong, and set out to denigrate them in mischievous ways to save face. I wasn't born yesterday!

 

Look it's 4 days in, and things are in flux. For every link you post proclaiming something to fit your agenda, I can find one which is to the contrary, so what's the bloody point of doing that?

 

You play safe on knowledge and just call names. Look his school teachers were up to it as well.



Nigel Farage Banded racist and fascist by his teachers

 

In my opinion the U.K. did the right thing.

But they could have dome it a LOT better.

The United States would NEVER EVER be a part of a Union that did not allow the U.S. to control it's own destity and make it's own decisions.

Germany and France are simply all about Germany and France and let's face it....Germany is still VERY MUCH a U.S. Military Protectorate and will be for at least the next 50 to 100 years.

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I'll make a bet Orwell is providing links from experts - the very people the exit campaign while promoting xenophobia, the bus the most obvious, refused to listen to. Now they are complaining when people state the obvious - that most of them are completely ignorant.

and be very aware the experts are saying Britain's economic problems are here for the medium to long term to forever. You have cut off the entire way the UK works while having absolutely no idea of what you are going to put in it's place. Idiots. You will go down in history as the idiots who despite an education ruined the UK.

 

Might I ask you a question?

Now I am very aware of the economic issues involved with the U.K. leaving the E.U....but don't you think the E.U. could have done a few things that would have satisfied those in the U.K. who wanted to leave?

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They did everything asked by Cameron, allowed Britain all the exceptions it wanted, not part of Schengen, no need to be involved in further integration and so on. The one thing they could not offer was being a part of the single market without free access of people. They are still trying to be part of the single Market and are shocked that the EU does not give more privileges to non members than members. The very best the UK can hope for now is similar to the past with absolutely no say in what goes on. Everything dictated by the EU. That is the kind of deal it looks like they are going to try and cut.

 

Well....I think the whole thing was handled poorly.

The E.U. has lost it's largest Military but hey...in reality let's face it.....it's not like the E.U. is ever going to do any Military action without the U.S.

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All he 'negotiated' was either already in force (Schengen - we weren't a part of it anyway), and an exemption from 'ever closer union', which is totally meaningless, and could - would - be implemented on a whim at a later date (they're as crafty as a wagon-load of monkeys), by which time it would be too late for any current member state - which of course would include the UK - to raise an objection. The red line was uncontrolled immigration - talking of which - a report on the BBC news last night stated that (I paraphrase) 'there are a million persons waiting for local authority housing in the UK today', which, much against the intelligence of the Remainers, rather proves a very important point to the rest of us re the 'freedom of movement' clause.

 

This are only some sentences in only one book of long hundreds years of history. Switzerland was the first "United States" of the world. Germans, Italians, French and others lived and live there in peace since a very long time now. They were not bound by nationalism but by their free will to live together and to be free men and women. So they denied the egocentristic rights of the nobels about 700 years ago. It's by the way not easy to hang Wilhelm Tell for his deeds and for sure he never will bow his celtic head under any form of ideology or imperialism.

I don't have any lousy idea about what the USA is doing on what reasons. Sometimes I have the feeling an unkown Borg Queen under the white house gives instructions to the american government - and sometimes I have the feeling everything what the american politics touches dies. And everywhere are your hands - everywhere are your ears - everywhere is "USA". Even the cities of the world look like american unity monsters. Your nation became somehow eerie this days. There were better times.

http://de.musicplayon.com/play?v=617160

 

I wouldn't confuse Farage's particular type of charisma with Theresa May's political intelligence and understanding of the mechanisms of politics i.e the facts.

May is the longest serving Home Secretary in British history. She has a very good track record in the job and is highly respected within the Conservative party. The last Home Secretary to become Prime Minister was a certain Winston Churchill. This is not a comparison, just an indication of the stature of the job.

Farage has run for general elections on five occasions. He lost out on every occasion. There is no comparison between the two politicians.

 

I am aware of when it was written.

I just have an issue with...OBSERVERS....as I prefer....DOERS.

As far as the U.S....it is a massive global entity and yes there are problems....but it is the U.S. that has prevented WWIII from breaking out.

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See above. He ran for election five times, and five times the people rejected him.

 

To be fair, how is posting a link to Deutsche Bank predicting a recession for Britain, anything other than Deutsche Bank predicting a recession for Britain.

You said earlier that I was being too negative. This was the accusation thrown at the economists that predicted the 2008 crash.

 

I respect your decision, but I disagree.

They certainly could have. When the Scottish Nationalist Party - the largest party by a huge majority in the Scottish Parliament - campaigned during the Scottish independence referendum, they produced a 600 page document of how they were going to govern the country when it became independent. The Brexit Leave campaigners produced no plan for what Britain would do following Brexit. No plan, whatsoever. It is a staggering lack of foresight.

 

He wasn't part of the political establishment, that's why! You ought to be aware of the fact that the political establishment in this country is a closed shop, and outsiders don't stand a chance of breaking into it because they'll (the establishment) join forces to 'trash' them, aided and abetted by the national press.

 

I've always understood that nobody saw the crash coming, and that's why it hit so hard. Maybe the ones who did were not of the mainstream?

 

He put himself to the people five times, and they rejected him five times. He put Brexit to the people and the people voted Brexit. He is a one trick pony.

 

This bunch of clever clogs got it right.

Nouriel Roubini, chairman of Roubini Global Economics/New York University, aka Dr Doom!

Steve Keen, head of the School of Economics, History and Politics, Kingston University

Ann Pettifor, director of Policy Research in Macroeconomics (PRIME)

Dean Baker, co-director of the Centre for Economic and Policy Research

Peter Schiff, CEO and chief policy strategist at Euro Pacific Capital

Raghuram Rajan, the governor of India's central bank, predicted the crash.

And Ireland's own eminent economist and journalist for the Irish Times, David William.