Proper temperament for gun ownership?

I've got two of those, Crixus and Money Shot. Just remember it never quite goes the way you want. Makes no sense not to have on chambered, the only thing that can happen is something can wrong. I use Tri-Ball for the first shot with standard 9 pellet military 00 buckshot in the tube.

 

Personally, I think the whole racking the pump noise causing the bad guys to piss their pants and run away is a myth. It's also silly tactically.

 

Not really, you're using a far less than lethal round and when the pattern begins to break up, you're really screwed, especially if you're unlucky enough for the home invader to be using armor or even very heavy clothing. Buckshot won't penetrate a vest, but it doesn't really have to. with a center of mass hit. Tri-Ball will give any vest a run for its money and the crush injury on soft armor is significant.

 

Agree, it's foolish, slows you down and gives you something else that can go wrong.

 

Birdshot is also not going to penetrate enough to reliably stop an intruder. Yes, it will make a horrific wound, and he'll probably die from the infection a week later, but it's not a death ray.
I had your birdshot for home defense attitude for a while, but then I started researching it.
For an example of a typical article. That said, feel free to do what you want to do. It's your life and your family's lives, not mine.
http://www.activeresponsetraining.net/bird-shot-for-self-defense

 

Birdshot is just a very foolish choice. People just don't realize that you're using what is essentially a carbine at room distances, one with a lot of flash and a lot of recoil. A semi-auto with 8 pellet 00 attenuated buckshot is far superior in just about every way. A pump gun has a bit of a difference in its manual of arms though there are some guys who can run them very quickly.

 

If you stay in the military long enough, you'll come to realize the difference between brag and fact. Also the difference between a mature person and a less mature person. If it was up to me, I'd treat everyone under 25 as minor with no rights to drive, own guns, vote or anything else a child can't do for the very reasons you brought up; they're too immature as group.

Sure, in the past we've allowed this, but this is the modern age, eh? Science has proved that most people's minds don't fully mature until age 25. Why let them make decisions like voting if they're immature?

 

Whose fault is that Max? Men commanded ships in their early 20's. My uncle was running a plantation at 20. We live in a snowflake society where everything must be perfectly safe.

 

Personally I like my 45 automatic. It has a relatively low muzzle velocity and not a lot of penetration power. It will go through most walls, but not with a lot of punch left over.

 

I'm not talking about bird shot, I'm talking split shot fishing weights in about 30 caliber. I agree that birdshot is an incredibly bad idea it simply isn't going to be lethal at much beyond 30 feet unless you get incredibly lucky it looses to much muzzle energy far to quickly. What I use will transfer almost full muzzle velocity out to about 30 and I'm inside and there is no door more than about thirty feet from where my defense point will be. And lets not forget the average punk breaking into your home won't be wearing mil spec body armor.

 

"Modern Society". Two main thoughts spring to mind: "Necessity is the Mother of Invention" and "Adversity creates character".

Let's not forget that in the time of the Founders, the average life expectancy was in the 40s. Sure, rich guys like Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson lived longer, but most people did not. Nowadays, most Millenials, and even us older farts, can expect to live well into our 70s and 80s. The "necessity" isn't there. Parents coddle their children because they can not kick them out because they have to do so. People aren't tough nowadays because they don't have to be. There's no "necessity" to be tough, develop character at a young age nor to "grow up fast".

http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2011/03/17/us-life-expectancy-at-all-time-high/

 

Why not just use commercial buckshot. Hate to break it to you but the thug rats have discovered body armor, especially those who specialize in home invasions.

 

That's just way too bad. However, I agree with your concept.

 

Agreed on commercial buckshot. While it's true a professional gang might have commercially available body armor, like most gun-owning home owners, most do not. Still, aim low, like around the balls and upper thighs region. The first shot to take them down and the second shot, if they reach for a weapon, up the torso (through the ball sack up their spine if trying to sit back up) or through the head. Laser sights help.

 

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Smart move.

On a side note, I'm anxiously awaiting my EoTech 512 to mount on my new AR. Looking forward to the shooting range to test it along with one of my AKs and SKSs. I have the temperment to hit what I shoot at.



From Sgt. Grit:

 

It's very difficult to survive more than 6 torso hits from 00 buckshot. Even 3 is likely to be fatal. A full load anywhere in the center of mass is not survivable. The crush injury is really substantial at short to medium ranges, even with soft armor.

 

Agreed. A 12 gauge pump is a great home defense weapon although my wife doesn't like the recoil. I keep assuring her that when the time comes, she'll never feel it, but ended up buying her a 20 gauge to sooth her concerns. At 15 feet or less, it probably won't make much difference.

 

The semi's rock in terms of recoil reduction. The Versa Max is just unbelievable and the FN is not far behind.

 

No doubt you are correct, but I'm old school and love my pump shotguns; specifically the Mossberg 500 series.

 

How do they infringe? Everybody can carry until they prove they are irresponsible.

 

The "toy collectors" are fairly benign, in my opinion, not unlike a butterfly collector, or old Lionel train collector. Some gun collectors like muskets. If it floats your boat and they want to spend their money on that sort of thing, I see no harm in it.

"The Hopefuls" are worrisome. I've bumped into a couple of people like this, and they are a little unhinged. They certainly are not representative of the vast majority of peaceful, law-abiding gun owners.

The people I am most familiar with are "The Willing". These are people who seek no fight. They don't wish for it. They never provoke. But they will act if necessary. Like this woman ...

 

Of course the 2A doesn't say the the right "shall not be infringed, unless someone proves they are irresponsible."

You are just adding regulations and restrictions to the right. Same thing with me. We just differ as to the extent.

 

Then let’s have instant death penalty for murderers and rapists. Why do you insist on letting convicted rapists and murderers carry guns?

 

Because buckshot to day isn't lead. Better penetration but less deformation and less transfer of muzzle velocity. I don't want through and through.Iwnat hit you knock your ass down and walk all over. To be sure you can accomplish the same thing with a .44 mag or a Casul .456 but the later is going through and through almost anything without trauma plates and more than a few frame houses