Push to ban unvaccinated children from NSW preschools

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-19/push-to-ban-unvaccinated-children-from-nsw-preschools/4698786

Good idea? Bad Idea? Should we "trample on individual rights" or protect society at large?

 

That is a difficult one.

I once knew a chap, who fell ill with Polio at the age of 19. From there on, his life continued in a wheel chair. I think, those classical vaccinations should be a must.

For those latest trendy ones, like bird-flew or flew or or or, which haven't really been proven over time, and whose side affects are still sort of unknown, not necessarily. That is up to the parents.

Best regards

 

Firstly, it's not a push to ban kids, just to give preschools the right to ban kids. Secondly I think it's fair, I as a parent would prefer to know, that being said, I also believe we can wrap ourselves up in too much cotton wool, so yes for the big ones, known to work and be "safe", no to denying kids the right to be kids, fall over, get a cold, blow out birthday candles etc.

 

Scew em. They fear vaccination, they can home school

 

Your right to swing your fist ends at my nose.

Unvaccinated children are swinging their fists and hitting the noses of other children.

 

A preschool should have the right to ban any child who might be a danger to other children, including one who hasn't been vaccinated against contagious diseases. That's just common sense.

 

Watch "Jabbed" on SBS this Sunday night. It should be good, i hope balanced. SBS: The only network willing to put up controversial docos.

My problem with vaccinations is 'trust'. I don't trust the industry. If you inform yourself about the approvals process, and about the lack consequences (and public awareness) for problems, and political choices for suppliers (when they've a recent record of bad batches) etc - you lose faith. It's ironic, because the reason they keep the problems with the process and the vaccinations themselves quiet is because they think it will 'alarm' us. But it's the secrecy, the 'corporate owned' approval process and the cover-ups that cause more harm.

Open Government? Where the fvck is it?

 

Oh good freaking GOD....where the hell did common sense go to?

This is really easy to work out....to you clowns that think that un-vaccinated children are a risk to vaccinated kids...tell me something......Why the hell did you get your kids vaccinated.... and then are still scared of catching diseases from un-vaccinated kids? Shouldn't the vaccines make you immune from what you clowns are scared of and not give a crap if some kids are not vaccinated? What the hell is your problem? If you are vaccinated what the hell are you scared about.......man what a retarded argument!

 

One has choice.. Don't put your babies in childcare.

 

I was actually wondering the same thing. Could someone with more knowledge than I explain why vaccinated kids aren't safe from un-vaccinated kids?

 

They are not childcare...they are indoctrination centres!

Why the hell parents give up their children to strangers to bring up is one of the most un-natural things that Zionazi run governments ever succeeded in destroying society...ever!

What the hell man...what the hell happened to parents...they have just given up raising their kids to the Government...and that can only lead to one thing...INDOCTRINATION!

 

Just common sense isn't it?

They won't give you an answer because they don't have one....oh and did you know that when Governments started vaccinating people soon after is when the first case of Austism was recorded...back in the 1930's

 

how are they a danger if the other kids have been vaccinated?

 

I have had every shot and booster for the past 65 years. Typhus, Typhoid, Yellow fever, .. and in recent years... sh*t I can't remember..

Oh yeah meningitis.

Don't leave home.

 

Geesus woman...if that were true being injected with so many diseases....you are are a danger to people that have a right to not be vaccinated......

Tell me something Marge...why the hell would you let these big pharma companies inject you with crap after crap (for profit) when you know that humanity has survived for thousands of years without these vaccines?

 

Sorry. Study after study finds no link between Autism and vaccinations. Unless you know how vaccinations cause Autism, correlation does not imply causation.

 

Margot,
I don't agree, Not to put a child in childcare, is a crime committed against the child. It needs tointeract with other kids, it needs the social enviroment.
Its like schooling your kids from at home, because of blablabla reason. Those parents should be nailed on a cross.....

 

Actually for millions of years it was the TRIBE that raised the children - child care is an extension of that concept

 

And vaccines predate 1930 whereas the diagnosis "autism" was not developed before then

 

I am not in favor of homeschooling at all.

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Nope.. I have just lived and traveled all over the world.

 

A combination of reasons. No vaccination will be 100% effective so there is always a risk, however small, to vaccinated children. Some people (adults and children) can't be vaccinated due to other medical conditions, so vaccinating everyone who can be is about minimising the risk to them.

The primary purpose of most vaccination isn't really to protect individuals but to provide herd immunity though. If a high enough percentage of people are vaccinated (typically around 90%), even if someone contract the illness, it will not be able to spread as quickly or widely, reducing the risks of epidemics and also slowing viruses mutation to new strains. A lot of viral illnesses spread more quickly among children for various reasons so herd immunity in schools is especially important.

 

That was my first thought. But it equally applies to other kids that have not been vaccinated. They may be put at risk by the child who was not vaccinated and has caught something.

 

Humanity has survived, but individuals have not. Do you have children? People do what they think is right to protect their children. I think it's fair to say that there is a pretty sound history of vaccination successes (smallpox for one). I don't view vaccinations as bad, i view the process that brings them to us as tainted by corporate profit-mongering and deeply flawed, which introduces some risks that needn't be there if the governments were doing their job and watching these guys very carefully. Instead, they put the fox in the chook house and let them manage their own affairs with little to no oversight.

 

HonestJoe has provided the answer some posters were demanding. Herd immunity is the point of vaccination. When the virus runs out of hosts then it falls away.

As for the anti-vaccination people. You make a decision on behalf of your child not to have the child vaccinated then you deal with the consequences. If the child is not vaccinated and is permitted to attend where other people are gathered the child is a potential host for the virus and thus will affect the strategy to achieve herd immunity.

No doubt anti-vaccination people will rationalise their position. But it's essentially the same mindset that has prevented polio from being totally wiped out on the planet. Those well-known leftist conspirators Rotary International and The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation were on the cusp of defeating polio completely when some witch doctor types in ill-educated communities screwed the campaign by frightening the punters.

http://www.rotary.org/en/serviceandfellowship/polio/pages/ridefault.aspx

In Australia we are free from bovine tuberculosis and brucellosis due to a campaign which was mounted many years ago to remove these two diseases from the Australian cattle herd. Vaccination was the strategy. http://www.animalhealthaustralia.co...ian-bovine-tuberculosis-surveillance-project/

 

That's a bit strong.

At what age should they be put into childcare in your opinion?