Push to ban unvaccinated children from NSW preschools

I think that, by large, the doctors do what pharma tells them to do. They convince the doc that it is in the best interests of their patients and offer up some form of evidence that most docs probably don't read. If they did, they wouldn't then delve into the methodology and funding and ask for other studies with longer trials etc.

Not all doctors are like this, i stress. My doctor is not so keen to prescribe and i think the cynicism the general public is starting to acquire is also felt by a growing number of doctors. But then, i only know a few (personally) and i'd have to say that most of them are highly dedicated, but seem disinterested in the 'conspiracy' we're discussing. So maybe i'm talking out of my arse.

Dr Mercola is a pretty good source of info, most of his stuff is cited. It's quite incredible what passes for "thoroughly tested".

Here's a good little snippet:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/02/18/aspartame-toxic-effects.aspx

 

It sounds like you have a much more rational system than we do. OMG, I hate those ads. They show people having a great time, leading an active lifestyle, while citing all of the side effects and contra indications, then follow up with, "shouldn't you ask your doctor?"

Hell, no, I shouldn't ask my doctor. My doctor is supposed to know whether this stuff you're advertising will work for me or not, and what the contraindications might be. Anyway, advertising is expensive, and drugs are already too costly without sponsoring a zillion commercials.

 

It has improved - which is not saying a lot. But I am working in a rural hospital with it's own cooks who do a wonderful job really. The food they are served here is as good as most restaurants

 

Advertising is a significant amount of the pharmacy dollar in the USA - the other is the allowance of "copy cat" medications that keep re-inventing the same wheel because that keeps the drug out of the generic market. Big Pharma hates Australia because we LIKE generics and will use them whenever we can.

 

It would now be obvious to even the dumbest person, that these drugs and vaccines that American pharmaceutical drug cartels are flogging off for patient use, are not properly tested, because of all the re-calls, and them suddenly being taken off the market for use due to their dangerous and lethal side effects.

Whether or not doctors read all the information that pharmaceutical drug cartels provide them about a certain drug, is their responsibility, before they prescribe that drug or vaccine to “their” patients.

That’s equivalent to allowing a mechanic to have the excuse of saying: he didn’t know whether or not he tightened to nuts on the wheels of your vehicle, before allowing it to be driven away by the owner.

Some people are not stupid, and realise that the majority of doctors don’t work for the best interests of their patients anymore, but work for the clock and profits. They now only offer 15 minute appointment revolving door medicine, which means filling as many bums-on-seats as possible for the almighty dollar.

This has led to the situation whereby they have become sloppy in their duty of care for patients, and just believe everything that the American drug cartels tell them.

They are disinterested in any theory that challenges their authoritarianism, God-like attitudes and position over the general public. Besides the massive profit factors, this is another reason why doctors and some of the medical profession are insanely jealous about alternative treatments and cures, and instantly discredit them.

How many doctors are prescribing Australian people dangerous statins or cholesterol drugs like: Crestor and Lipitor?

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...20/the-truth-about-statin-drugs-revealed.aspx

Whatever to the Hippocratic oath: “do no harm”.

Right now, I put doctors and the medical industry in the same camp as politicians - wouldn’t trust any of them to feed my dogs.

 

you bang on about recalls - what about http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/04/28/1051381901424.html

Or here
http://www.tga.gov.au/safety/alerts-all.htm

Not a few of these are implantable devices, child restraints and quite a number of "natural" medicines

 

<<< Mod Edit: Insult >>> that doctors and the medical industry keep releasing and prescribing unsafe drugs/medications for human consumption, without any regards to their dangerous and lethal side effects.

You are the one that has been advocating during this debate, these drugs/medications/vaccines have undergone years of rigorous trials and scientific scrutiny to prove they are safe, before they were released and approved for general use.

During this discussion/debate, there has been enough factual evidence produced to support the claim that American pharmaceutical drug cartels have been distributing drugs, which have not undergone the proper scientific methods of testing that should apply before these drugs were released for human consumption. The evidence also highlights doctors have facilitated this dubious bad scientific testing method used by these drug cartels, by prescribing their patients these drugs without knowing what the dangerous and lethal chemical side effects can cause.

Prescribing these dangerous and lethal drugs was done with or without knowledge, and that&#8217;s tantamount to professional negligence.

The evidence has concluded that unsafe, and improperly tested dangerous drugs have been sold & administered to the general public world wide, and have been re-called dating from 1950 - 2011

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_withdrawn_drugs

How many doctors in Australia tell their patients about the inherent dangers of taking Statins, or Cholesterol drugs like: Crestor and Lipitor, which are casually prescribed to lower cholesterol. There is a massive call to have both these drugs re-called from general use, due to the significant amounts of damage they do to the human body verses their benefit.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/a...20/the-truth-about-statin-drugs-revealed.aspx

I agree, there has been numerous re-calls on suspect vitamins, but people don&#8217;t go to a doctor to get prescribed vitamins.

If individuals want to vaccinate themselves and their children, and put their complete trust and faith in pharmaceutical companies and doctors, then that is their prerogative.

I have attempted to offer a critical alternative that has exposed pharmaceutical companies and some doctors don&#8217;t always tell the truth, or know what&#8217;s in drugs/vaccines, before they are approved and administered in the general publics best interest.

There is nothing more I can add to this discussion/debate that wouldn&#8217;t sound like I&#8217;m repeating myself ad nauseum.

 

Take a look at the big picture on what the medical profession and medications have had a hand in:
yes, there have been abuses and mistakes made. But you don't get progress without taking risks and making mistakes.
The benefit to risk ratio, IMO, should always enter into any decisions made about anything. And from the graph, I'd say the benefits outweigh the risks. Could it have been done better? Probably. But without a plan on how to make it better, any criticizing is just whining (US spelling).

 

Exactly, we all make mistakes, we all do something that at the time seemed right but with hindsight, well maybe not. Yes there is corruption and greed, show me somewhere that there isn't. But do we give up or say it is all bad, no or we go backwards.

 

Is becoming tattle tales the only rebuttal so-called representatives of the medical profession can offer, when their authoritarianism is seriously challenged. LOL LOL

I think some people need to look in the mirror, because they are not going to see a GOD staring back!! Maybe just another dogs body who empties bed pans!! LOL LOL

 

The CDC is full of crap run by the Big Pharma companies paying off corrupt scum in the CDC to approve focking harmful drugs that kill more people than if these drugs were not approved. When are you people going to realise that EVERY Govt agency is just now so out of control corrupt....and I mean EVERY Government agency in the western world. Pharma companies in collusion with the media they own continually scare the crap out of people with their end of the world epidemics like bird flu, swine flu bat flu dog flu and tax payers fork out hundreds of millions of dollars for govt to stock up on the latest vaccines that are never used....oh you do realise that it is the pharma companies that invent the diseases to begin with and they magically have the vaccines to sell you....just like the computer anti virus companies cannot survive unless they have viruses around so you have to buy their soft ware to fight the viruses that they invent....gee I wonder who invents the viruses to start with?

What the hell is the difference with these big corrupt pharma companies?

 

Why shouldn't they be at school? If the Vaccinated kids have been vaccinated then they are not at risk from the un-vaccinated kids....right?

So what is your problem?

I just don't get this argument from people that scream that everyone should be vaccinated....if you are vaccinated then you are protected already according to you...so why the hell do you give a crap about anyone else when they are no threat to you?

 

You have a painfully short memory which will only see this thread go around in circles; http://www.politicalforum.com/austr...children-nsw-preschools-3.html#post1062652313

 

Gee just because you post pictures to ridicule doesn't make you right...I could easily do the same but I would rather debate.

You see Bower...when it was the "tribe" as you state...it means it was the whole society....childcare is now soley run by the government which simply means it is run by one of the two banker controlled parties...(Labor or Liberal) do you get that?...the two party system is one of the biggest scams in history...the un elected bankers control both political parties which means they control us ...it doesn't matter if you vote Labor or Liberal...they are both controlled by the same bankers....not the focking tribe.... which is THE VOTERS!

We get a choice here....a Labor PM controlled by the Rothschilds...or A Liberal PM controlled by the Rothschilds...sheesh what part do you find hard in comprehending that the two party system has NOTHING at all to do with a tribe but everything to do with BANKERS?

Oh and when it come to childcare and those focking Khazar bankers ruling us into slavery......This is what they are doing...it is simple...INDOCTRINATION!!!.
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"Give me a child until he is seven and I will give you the man".

 

These days Mario, the majority of the medical professions is not about following or underpinning the principals and philosophies of the Hippocratic oath, but more about the medical profession/industry not wanting anyone to challenge their absolute authoritarian control over everyone&#8217;s health issues.

When the medical profession/industry make massive mistakes against humanity, their only excuse is saying they made a mistake, but never go any further by admitting liability and responsibility for these disastrous lethal mistakes.

A child might do something without permission, and acknowledge they made a mistake by their actions.

Is the medical profession/industry suggesting their dangerous behaviour towards the general public that endanger millions of lives by prescribing unsafe drugs, should be compared to that of a child&#8217;s mentality, by just acknowledging a mistake was made and hoping that&#8217;s the end of it without any recourse. Yes they do.

What happens to these doctors that have prescribed these re-called drugs not ever knowing what&#8217;s been in them, and have had disastrous side effects that&#8217;s effected millions of innocent people. Absolutely nothing - they walk away Scott-free, and the companies get a slap on the wrist with a fine. LOL

The difference between a doctor/medical industry and a second hand car salesman - ZERO. Both their to sell you something dodgy, and get you out as fast as possible.

 

Ah, yes, just sit back and reminisce about how much better off we were before modern medicine! Just make a concoction of healing plants, and you could be healed of anything!

And so many diseases, particularly the diseases of old age, have become more prevalent than they were back in t he good old days when most people died off before ever reaching old age.

Isn't it a good thing that you have the option of simply avoiding doctors and healing yourself?

 

I finished watching "Jabbed". It was pretty good, but it didn't discuss any of the nasties they put in vaccines to preserve them etc. It also mentioned after the polio disaster in the 50s that regulation was beefed up. That's great, but it's that very regulation, like in all other areas of the economy, that are being systematically attacked by industry.

The cases they highlight were pretty sad too, but probably avoidable. Cases where people have serious problems triggered by the vaccine. We could probably do tests on everyone before vaccines are given. Take a sample at birth, check they don't have the known genetic issues that vaccines can trigger and avoid.

So to absolutely minimise peoples fears and concerns, the authorities need to (in no particular order):
1. Hold firm and strengthen testing and regulation.
2. Stop taking donations from pharma (any corporation actually)
3. pre-test for likely (known) severe reactions prior to administration of vaccines where possible (like wealthy western nations)
4. More thoroughly test and explain the toxic ingredients that are used to [preserve?] the vaccine (or better yet, replace with non-toxic).

 

From MIMS

Sorry cannot post the URL as this is from the online library

As you see the manufacturer is actually CSL Commonwealth Serum Laboratories

 

Hi Rec, well they are not going to do that....what they are now trying to do is BAN free speech about the poisons these scum are pushing onto humanity...that is their way...if this doesn't tell how vile these vaccines are and how criminal the pushers are by getting people to stop talking about their crimes against humanity...what will?
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Internet monitoring system to stalk social media users who question safety of vaccines
June 1, 2013

If you post articles to your Facebook wall that warn others about the dangers of vaccines, or Tweet links to the latest studies tying vaccines to autism through Twitter, the vaccine pushers of the world could soon know about it in real time. According to new reports, Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation-backed scientists in both the United States and Great Britain have jointly developed a computerized global monitoring system capable of tracking all social media activity around the world that defies mainstream vaccine dogma, and reporting it directly to authorities.

This brave new exercise in multinational, Big Brother spying is being hailed as a solution to the rapid spread of so-called &#8220;rumors&#8221; and &#8220;lies&#8221; about vaccines via the internet, which basically constitute any online free speech that questions the safety or effectiveness of vaccines. According to mainstream authorities, vaccines are completely safe and effective in every way, and anything that defies this unsubstantiated proclamation is now officially considered to be misinformation by the global police state.

According to Heidi Larson from the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine in the U.K., and author of the new tracking system, free speech on the internet has &#8220;speeded up the global spread&#8221; of what she and others consider to be &#8220;unchecked rumors and misinformation about vaccines.&#8221; People thinking for themselves, in other words, and discussing legitimate vaccine safety concerns with others online is a threat to the establishment, thus the need for a virtual all-seeing eye, of sorts, to monitor all this chatter and report it directly to health officials.

Bill Gates, vaccine industry desperately trying to maintain vaccine myth through intimidation

The real motivation behind the development of this new tracking tool, of course, is to increase vaccine compliance by intimidating people into silence. Since the Gates Foundation-backed vaccine pushers do not have the capacity to completely prohibit online free speech as it pertains to vaccines (at least not yet), they are instead resorting to underhanded intimidation and manipulation tactics that they hope will give them a new platform to spread their propaganda more quickly and thwart efforts that defy the vaccine status quo.

This is all openly admitted by those who developed the new tracking platform using Gates Foundation funds, and it speaks for itself as to the true intentions of this sadistic cohort. An increasing number of people, for good reason, are avoiding vaccines, as study after study shows them to be toxic and largely ineffective. In fact, vaccines have been shown to be the cause of disease outbreaks, not the solution to them as claimed by Larson and others. So to stem this massive departure, the vaccine industry is seeking new ways to embed itself in the global discussion on vaccines in order to convince more people to get them.

Just in case you were wondering, virtually all of the disease outbreaks in recent years that authorities claim were caused by unvaccinated individuals were actually most prominent among the vaccinated. In other words, the data shows that vaccinated individuals are actually more likely to contract diseases like mumps, measles, and polio than are children who have not been vaccinated, which completely debunks the myths that vaccines &#8220;save lives,&#8221; and that not getting vaccinated puts one&#8217;s health at serious risk.

You can read more about how vaccines do not prevent disease outbreaks by visiting:
http://vactruth.com/2013/02/23/17-examples-of-vaccine-failure/

 

Good: we have freedom of speech.
Bad: a lot of us use it to spread nonsense.

 

So let me get this right...nonsense is what is not approved by Rothschild controlled puppets...now days called Government!



Humanity has survived for thousands of years before these focking pharma companies shoved their vaccines down our throats...and dude if you have a clue since they done that crap, loads of diseases have sprung up out of nowhere...and not only that the big pharma companies come up with snake oil to cure to the diseases they caused to begin with!

Oh and Culldav is spot on, these doctors that prescribe any crap that big pharma companies tell them to give people...when these so called doctors have no idea what are in these pills, or vaccines...doctors and nurses now days are just witch doctors. Shouldn't they have a clue what is in these poisons before prescribing them? isn't it their job to make sure a patient is looked after and not poisoned?........and there you have it, doctors abandoning the only thing that made them trust worthy...the Hippocratic oath!

Anyone that trusts a doctor or a nurse now days deserves what those sold out (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s do to them!

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Real: Black plague wiping out a third of Europe, smallpox pandemics that wiped out thousands of people, kids in iron lungs in the 1950's, every kid expected to get measles, mumps, chicken pox, rubella, and diptheria, again in the '50s and into the '60s as well.

Not real: Wacky conspiracy theories about how big pharma somehow creates diseases or fear of diseases and then sells dangerously defective vaccines.

Nor real: Apricot pits cure cancer.

That's what's real and what's not.

 

You know I once nursed a teenager who had been visiting his older brother in a commune when he got bitten by a Taipan. THEY thought they knew better than the medical profession and used acupuncture to treat him.

He died

http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/30837.html

 

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My Uncle was told by his doctor that smoking would not harm his health.

Guess what? He died of lung cancer!!

Believe any of these snake-oil salesmen (doctors/nurses) at your own peril.

 

Oh really? Seems like you guys are trying to shut down discussion on the argument by avoiding little (huge) things like this
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30 Years of Secret Official Transcripts Show UK Government Experts Cover Up Vaccine Hazards To Sell More Vaccines
March 14, 2012 [/B]

An extraordinary new paper published by a courageous doctor and investigative medical researcher has dug the dirt on 30 years of secret official transcripts of meetings of UK government vaccine committees and the supposedly independent medical “experts” sitting on them with their drug industry connections.

If you want to get an idea of who is responsible for your child’s condition resulting from a vaccine adverse reaction then this is the paper to read. What you have to ask yourself is if the people on these committees are honest and honourable and acting in the best interests of British children, how is it this has been going on for at least 30 years?


We quote here from the author’s summary and the paper:

Deliberately concealing information from parents for the sole purpose of getting them to comply with an “official” vaccination schedule could be considered as a form of ethical violation or misconduct. Official documents obtained from the UK Department of Health (DH) and the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) reveal that the British health authorities have been engaging in such practice for the last 30 years, apparently for the sole purpose of protecting the national vaccination program.

The 45 page paper with detailed evidence can be downloaded here: The vaccination policy and the Code of Practice of the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI): are they at odds? Lucija Tomljenovic, Neural Dynamics Research Group, Dept. of Ophthalmology and Visual Sciences, University of British Columbia, Vancouver, Canada. It was presented at and forms part of the proceedings of The 2011 BSEM Scientific Conference now published online here: The Health Hazards of Disease Prevention BSEM Scientific Conference, March 2011.

There are other papers also found at that link which you will find an excellent read.

The author, Dr Lucija Tomljenovic writes:

Here I present the documentation which appears to show that the JCVI made continuous efforts to withhold critical data on severe adverse reactions and contraindications to vaccinations to both parents and health practitioners in order to reach overall vaccination rates which they deemed were necessary for “herd immunity”, a concept which with regards to vaccination, and contrary to prevalent beliefs, does not rest on solid scientific evidence as will be explained. As a result of such vaccination policy promoted by the JCVI and the DH, many children have been vaccinated without their parents being disclosed the critical information about demonstrated risks of serious adverse reactions, one that the JCVI appeared to have been fully aware of. It would also appear that, by withholding this information, the JCVI/DH neglected the right of individuals to make an informed consent concerning vaccination. By doing so, the JCVI/DH may have violated not only International Guidelines for Medical Ethics (i.e., Helsinki Declaration and the International Code of Medical Ethics) [2] but also, their own Code of Practice.


Read the article here:

http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2012/03/14/government-experts-cover-up-vaccine-hazards/


Oh and look there is more that you will obviously ignore.......


Secret government documents reveal vaccines to be a total hoax

If you have children, you are more than likely already aware of the official U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) "Immunization Schedules," which today recommend an astounding 29 vaccines be given between birth and six years of age, including yearly flu shots, as well as another five to 16 vaccines between ages seven and 18 (http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/). But a recent investigative report compiled by Dr. Lucija Tomljenovic, Ph.D., uncovers more than 30 years of hidden government documents exposing these vaccine schedules as a complete hoax, not to mention the fraud of the vaccines themselves to provide any real protection against disease.

Though her paper focuses primarily on the British health system's elaborate cover-up of the dirty truth about its own national vaccination program, the tenets of the study's findings still apply to vaccination schedules in general, which are typically designed for the purpose of serving corporate interests rather than public health. Government authorities, it turns out, in an ongoing bid to satisfy the private goals of the vaccine industry, have deliberately covered up pertinent information about the dangers and ineffectiveness of vaccines from parents in order to maintain a high rate of vaccination compliance. And in the process, they have put countless millions of children at risk of serious side effects and death.

You can access Dr. Tomljenovic's full paper here:
http://www.ecomed.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/3-tomljenovic.pdf

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/038598_vaccines_medical_hoax_government_documents.html#ixzz2V6h94oTR