Questions For Those Who Believe Homosexuality Is A Chosen Behavior

I'd be interested to hear the outcome of that, for sure. Fingers crossed for a decent outcome.

 

___Me too.___

 

When can you expect to know? Sometime tomorrow, perhaps? I am unsure how long these things take.

 

Decision was already made. Not the one the other poster claims.
The California court decided that protectmarriage.com can defend the proposition in court since the state refuses to do so. Not the decision the gays were hoping for. The courts have prevented every other party from intervening in the case. If protectmarriage.com was not allowed to defend the case, there wouldnt have been anybody to defend the case. Thats what the gays were hoping for. But a decision that they didnt have the right to appeal the decision would have been an admission they never had the right to defend the original case.

 

Oh Lord!!! That is awesome! I'm always anxious for this stuff to go to court and be argued/discussed. Each time it does, it whittles-away at the virtual edges of the foolish bigotry which allows one to oppress another.

And I guarantee ANYONE that homosexual people and their advocates will not stop fighting for equal rights.

 

Yes, it's actually a good way to mobilize gay rights activists, give more exposure to the lack of equal rights between gay and heterosexuals, and to educate the pool of people who are still wavering (shrinking pool, as we all know!)

All together, the progress made by the gay community in term of public opinion is due largely to this kind of events that shines the light on the lack of concrete reasons to treat gay people differently from the rest of us.

I am very optimistic that the opponents of gay rights have actually been given "enough rope to hang themselves!"

 

I agree wholeheartedly!

 

Never had the right to defend the original case? Really, that's why they lost and have since appealed? Because they never got a shot to defend the original case?

More aptly what you mean is they lost the case, tried to get the judges ruling throw out and fail, tried to withhold the transcripts of the case and failed, tried to withhold the tapes of the case and failed. Now they are appealing and the case is moving higher up the chain of the courts, hopefully to make it to the supreme court and establish and precedent that gay marriage is legal.

Do you know how horrible that would for the against gay marriage?

Haha gay activists are playing the prop 8 fools like fiddle and they are to dumb to know it.

 

Yeah, thats why the homosexual judge refused to allow anyone other than protectmarriage.com to defend the case.

 

Not the sharpest crayon in the box. They DIDNT hold that they didnt have the right to appeal. IF THEY HAD, THEN it WOULD have been an admission they had no right to defend the case in the first place.

 

In any case, justice WILL be sought; so get over the coming reality that homosexual people will be persistent in their fight.

 

Stop abusing and insulting people. What you're saying can't have that much substance, if you think that you must use ad hominem.

 

double post

 

Sooooo then addresss the substance and ignore the "ad hominem

 

And that is their "opinion". The best science on the matter has yet to determine the specific causes of homosexuality. While many have ideas, personal theories and various views, there is no scientific determination on the matter being discussed.

And there (right there) is the flaw in their logic. Of course they are going to come to an improper conclusion, when the data they are processing is truncated as described above.

Yes. It took much longer than it should have, for society to catch up with the reality that homosexual people and homosexuality aren't inherently dangerous. They are normal.

Right. And as long as homosexual people are human beings, they WILL FIGHT for equal rights and protections under the law.

Yes. And all of those negative RESONATE morally and socially within the minds of most homosexual people and their advocates. That evil need not be perpetuated or tolerated. The fight to CHANGE things, will continue to be relentless. Unless time itself can be stopped, the necessary goals will be achieved.

Only those NOT paying attention need to ponder that. (Not saying you don't need to ask those very people the question.)

No. I certainly WOULD have been "straight"... if I COULD have been.

And I know the choices I made, had nothing to do with what gender I was attracted to. I was/am gay. I'm neither proud nor ashamed of that... it is just a statement of the reality I have lived ALL OF MY LIFE.

 

No the solution is to discover the gay gene and terminate all fetuses that are carrying it.

Problem solved.

Can prevent stuff like Downs syndrome too by simply detecting the proper gene and aborting the bad fetuses.

 

No, that isn't necessary.

There is no problem; what are you talking about (really)?

There is a lot they'll eventually be able to do; whether or not they use it as YOU suggest, is something else to consider.

 

You stated the problem was that gays don't have equal rights.
My answer: find the gay gene and terminate the fetuses.
Problem solved; ie no more gay people to give equal rights to.

 

They do not. I'm not going to debate that here; it isn't the topic.

I remember you saying something like that; didn't make any sense to me though.

I never made it through your alogical nonsense; I'm not wasting any serious brain-time on such foolishness.

Seems to me, you should be ignored; I'll be the first (right now) to oblige.

 

Typical liberal, can't stand the truth so he puts them on ignore so he can pretend like he has no critiques. But everyone else knows better because they weren't stupid enough to put everyone who disagrees with them on ignore.

 

Is the topic about people who are "liberal"?

I'll filter what you say through the intellectual grid in my mind, but I won't really ignore you. I WANT to be able to express another point of view from your own, so as to share it with others.

Of course, I know I have critiques AND critics here; so what?! This is an exercise in discussion and debate (mostly for fun, somewhat annoying and relatively entertaining). I know that people WILL disagree with me (we don't all see things the same way). Even so, we all have a right to share opinions here.

Ask a moderator; I have no one on "ignore" right now. I don't generally like doing that, because of what i expressed above; I WANT to give people alternative ways of viewing things. I don't have to be perfectly right about everything, I just want to 'inspire' people to be objective enough to look into things for themselves.

It's nice to be nice and agree with people; but that isn't all we need to learn or get to real solutions in this world.

 

why would you abort a fetus carrying the gay gene?

 

It's NEW religious "Conservative" value: Abortion is okay, only IF it is combating :::::insert dramatic music::::: "THE GAY!!!"

 

I believe that being gay or lesbian is not genetic (though I could concede that it could be). All behavior is a choice though, so in that way homosexuality is a chosen behavior if you're considering homosexual acts the behavior. Though I personally believe homosexuality comes from development. For me homosexuality is like personality, do you choose your personality? In some ways, because you control your actions, but you don't control the way you are naturally inclined to act.

 

I think that genetics is a 'factor' among others, which determine a person's sexual-orientation.

One thing is certain, people should NOT be put-down, restricted and rejected just because they are "homosexual".

But it makes no more sense to expect a homosexual to be other than what they are... than expecting person who doesn't care for a 'color' they do not prefer. That is, if a person has a predisposition to crave BLUE objects, it would make no sense to go into their room or house and see no "BLUE" objects.

These day, I actually get a chuckle when people expect homosexuals to BE what THEY expect them to be... "heterosexual" or "celibate" or uninterested in close relationships with other "homosexual" people. It's ridiculously prejudicial.

If you think you've 'cracked' the formula, then it would be interesting to examine/review what you are so very certain of. Science (BTW) has checked what you are saying... and they've not landed upon any specific conclusions, except that they think it is likely there are MANY factors (to homosexuality) involved). But I can tell you, that merely exposing a person to what is manly or womanly... won't determine there sexual-orientation. People have sought to guard against homosexuality for millenia by trying to indoctrinate or 'convince' others be be 'heterosexual'; it doesn't work. Some may ACT-OUT as 'heterosexuals', but they may be far from BEING heterosexual.

Well, I'd say that one's "personality" INCLUDES their sexual-orientation; yet whether or not they are heterosexual or homosexual, does not completely define their "personality".

I see your point, but I do think that one's personality is influenced rather significantly, by what they see in themselves sexually. A gay man (even a masculine one), is going to be somewhat different from a heterosexual man, in superficially nuanced ways; but inside the person where those 'nuances' are defined... there are likely some significant aspects to consider.