Questions For Those Who Believe Homosexuality Is A Chosen Behavior

I dont view the governments witholding of marriage benefits from my brother and I as being " put-down, restricted and rejected" becuase we are brothers.
You just have some hangups about your own sexuality, DESPARATELY in need of government endorsement of your realtionship, for your own benefit.

 

Your argument for/about marrying you brother... is a foolish waste of time on your part. And that has been discussed enough already.

Still, if you think it's something enough people are FOR... by all means, advocate for that right.

Really? How so?

That is just stupid and/or grossly misinformed. You are making a very poor argument here; it makes zero sense.

You are relating what you think or believe, to your own "benefit" as well then. And If you are fighting for a certain "right" you believe you should have, and it is something that would benefit many others... it isn't wrong to do IMO.

 

Translation- I got nothing to respond with

 

Prove that homosexual people CHOOSE their sexual-orientation. Even better, also prove that heterosexual people would somehow CHOOSE to NOT be heterosexual or engage in any behavior commensurate with their orientation.

Once you've done that, come back and rejoin the discussion.

 

Whether its a choice or not is irrelevant to my points above. Ill wait here while you scurry for refuge down some irrelevant tangent.

 

You're brother and you would be and incestuous couple. Which is prohibited by law, while homosexual couples are not.

If you can't grasp this, perhaps you should stay away from your brother.

 

They changed the laws to make homosexual couples legal they can change the law to make incest legal too.

 

Homosexuality was never illegal. Incest is and has been. To do that the precedent making incest illegal would have to be over turned, as well as state laws that make incest illegal.

Good luck with that.

 

Does the intellectual dishonesty on this issue stun you as much as it does me? But I'm glad the bigots are losing the war of public opinion! Soon it will be legal, and then all of these people who were against it will be looked upon with disdain, and rightfully so.

 

Stupid argument. Marriage between two gay guys is prohibited by law.

 

Fascinating, the alternate, fantasy reality gay land these people create to dwell within. Is it all warm and cozy in there?

 

No actually it isn't illegal. Prohibited yes, illegal no. Incest however is actually a CRIME.

Have you decided to come out to your parents? About you and your brother as well as you dog?

 

Same thing. I guess what you are trying to say is that it is a crime. Ignorant logic. By your reasoning we could make homosexuality a crime and any of your perceived constituional violations would evaporate
As well, some states, sexual relations between closely related couples is not a crime.

 

Great, stay with reality, were homosexuality is legal and incest is illegal, you fantasies with your brother as still illegal here in reality.

 

Well... YOU advocate FOR that then.

 

Except that incest is usually a crime due to higher genetic risk for the offpring. No such thing with homosexual couples. Thus it is an unsubstantiated slippery slope fallacy, the cases are different.



As for the thread topic, I believe many misunderstandings stem from different things people imagine under the word "homosexuality".

Some people think of homosexual acts, relationships and sex, which is indeed a choice.

Some people imagine the subconscious sexual attraction for same sex itself (a correct meaning of the word), which is surely NOT a choice.

 

There are other relational and emotional (psychological) issues to be noted as well.

Of course. dixon, tends to say things that a shock-jock would; that is the effect he is going for. The effect is 'distract' people from 'reasonable' dialogue. And he's pretty good at it.

Don't let dixon take control of the dialogue; that is the key. He tends to lead people onto expeditions into circular logic. It's a ploy that can be circumvented, IF you don't follow where he is 'leading'. His point of view takes a certain 'path', but it isn't IMPERATIVE that others take the direction he leads.

Of course. Ignorance, irrational animus and homophobia tend to lead to MANY "misunderstandings". It is obvious to most people.

Correct. I'm gay, but I could surely have sex with a woman. That doesn't mean I would be into her or she into me 'sexually'. Many HETEROSEXUAL couples get into mechanical sexual acts; and that's nothing like a close relationship.

You are spot-on CORRECT. (You'll likely not see dixon admit that, ever.)

 

No, its your strawman. My brother and I dont have sex and even if we did, procreation wouldnt be a problem.

 

The choice is made when people who are attracted to both sexes, choose to identify as homosexual or heterosexual

 

Yes, and the choice to identify as homosexual is completely logical if you find that your main or exclusive natural attraction is to a member of your own sex. Your point?

You're not saying anything new.

 

I do not think anyone is saying you are having relations with your brother (we hope not at least) but the fact that you think the courts will legalize incest because they legalize ssm shows your lack of reasoning. Someone is directly harmed if/when they reproduce.

If you think that there are no side effects from incest you need to go take a genetics class. Incest decreases the variety of the gene pool, allowing recessive mutations to become obvious and cause phenotypes and diseases. First cousin incestuous relationships have shown to create offspring that are
6%-10% more prone to mutations, this ratio increase between siblings and increases further between parent and child.

 

This is so true. I've called him out in multiple topics for his tactics, and he doesn't even try to defend himself. It's like he knows it and he's ignoring it so the truth will bury itself, so that other unsuspecting members will come along and be lured into his circular logic and baiting.

I'm guessing it makes him "feel intelligent". Too bad we're wise to him...

 

Precisely the opposite of what Blasphemer said. And I suspect the choice is more often made when one finds themself in an exclusive relationship with one sex or the other.

 

And these relationships are the start of the persons attraction to the same or opposite sex?

I believe people begin to explore their sexuality quite a bit before that.

 

I dont think the courts will legalize incest. Thats one of the many strawmen created by one of the other posters. AND Ive only ever used the example of my brother and myself, and the single mother and grandmother down the street as examples of NON sexual, closely related couples who could marry to form stable households. Soooooo I dont know why everybody runs to both suggesting sex between the closely related couples AND reproducing.