Religon needs to go

Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by myview, Jun 18, 2013.

  1. wyly

    wyly Well-Known Member

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    actually four abrahamic religions they all derive from one...just as all protestant religions original derive from roman Catholicism which itself split from Orthodox Catholicism and they all originated in Judaism as did Islam...

    :eekeyes: I gather from that you were never a fan of history classes...
     
  2. myview

    myview Well-Known Member

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    Put that way yes I have to obey these laws for the most part. Do you agree with every law in your state? When I was younger I did rebel against some of these laws and did end up in jail more than once. I got tired of beating my head against the wall. I've never been completely legal in this state but I'm not sure anyone in the country isn't breaking a law of some sort. I also started raisin a family and I didn't see how I could do that from jail. I do not accept these laws but I do obey them for the most part. Accept means to receive with approval.
     
  3. myview

    myview Well-Known Member

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    You do realize you misspelled a word in this post right? It's clear you are trying to show your intelligence. You may be a little insecure in some other area. But like you said we all have our failings. You say you are not socially graceful could that be coming out in these post?
     
  4. Charles Nicholson

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    The three religions generally referred to as Abrahamic are Islam, Judaism, and Christianity. Baha'i is not an Abrahamic religion, according to most sources. Argue if you like, the point remains.

    I actually enjoyed history classes very much.

    Notice I said not as storied a history of unprovoked violence as Islam. I didn't say none. However, if you would like to be civilized or even halfway decent/intelligent, you would post a reason as to why my assertion is incorrect.

    That's how a debate works.
     
  5. Charles Nicholson

    Charles Nicholson New Member

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    Which word? :confusion: I don't tend to proofread excessively but I could begin, if you are trouble understanding what I posted because of it.
    By the way, I haven't pointed out your latest grammar mistakes because they weren't so grievous as to restrict my intellectual movement.

    And... nope. I happen to write this way. If my writing intimidates you, I apologize - I happen to have a modicum of ability in the use of English. Don't worry, though - I'm sure you are a far better target shooter than I am. :wink: I never get a chance to go to the range.

    And as I said voluntarily... I do have my insecurities. So do you. What's your point?
     
  6. wyly

    wyly Well-Known Member

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    as did I history and archeology were my majors in uni until I choose another career path...my daughter took up my interest becoming a historian(specialty ancient/medieval euro history) and an archeologist, so I have a professional go-to source to back me up...

    let's be serious here if you a dedicated student of history you wouldn't even suggest Islam was more violent than christianity...pick a country, any country in europe and you could write a lengthy text on on the centuries of christian religious violence and tolerance in each...

    Islam dominated nations showed a degree of tolerance and acceptance towards other religions that christianity never matched until recent times...christian dominated nations slaughtered non believers(even other christian sects), Islamic nations taxed them...
     
  7. junobet

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    All major religions teach the Golden Rule (See below). And religions don't follow anything, people do. Some people try to follow the Golden Rule their religion teaches, some don't. Some religious and non-religious folks are capable of seeing the importance of religious tolerance and religious freedom, some aren't.

    https://www.tanenbaum.org/sites/default/files/GEN - Golden Rule - English.pdf:
     
  8. DentalFloss

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    One can be spiritual and believe in a creator without being religious. Religion is a man made beast, designed, with the possible exceptions of Buddhism and Hinduism, as nothing but behavior control for the masses under the threat of eternal torture. The only similarity between religion and the reality of our larger reality is coincidental. Humanity would do well to purge religion and embrace our spirituality.

    All things that were, at one point in history or another, justified by religion, even official dogma. Or are you unfamiliar with the history of racism and christianity?
     
  9. myview

    myview Well-Known Member

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    Look man your starting to make me laugh. I'm not intimidated by you. Is that an insult again. I just don't know how to take you. Can't you right a post on the subject rather than insults?
    About your spelling, first you wrote socially grateful then you wrote socially graceful. I had no problem understanding what you meant even though I don't have a modicum of ability in the use of English. Doesn't modicum mean a small amount? So are you say you have a small amount and I have less than that? Correct me if I' wrong. Grandmaster of words.
     
  10. myview

    myview Well-Known Member

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    Your right it's not religions it's the people but the people are part of the religion. In fact two churches of the same denomination could teach differently because of the people in that church.
     
  11. Incorporeal

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    Agree... Yes! I agree that they are the law until such time as a law is challenged and amended or repealed. Until such time as described, I am socially required to abide by those laws: Unless there is a law which is contradictory to the teachings of Jesus the Christ.


    "accept" has other meanings than the one you posted:
    "ac·cept (k-spt)
    v. ac·cept·ed, ac·cept·ing, ac·cepts
    v.tr.
    1.
    a. To answer affirmatively: accept an invitation.
    b. To agree to take (a duty or responsibility).
    2. To receive (something offered), especially with gladness or approval: accepted a glass of water; accepted their contract.
    3. To admit to a group, organization, or place: accepted me as a new member of the club.
    4.
    a. To regard as proper, usual, or right: Such customs are widely accepted.
    b. To regard as true; believe in: Scientists have accepted the new theory.
    c. To understand as having a specific meaning.
    5. To endure resignedly or patiently: accept one's fate.
    6. To be able to hold (something applied or inserted): This wood will not accept oil paints.
    7. To receive officially: accept the committee's report.
    8. To consent to pay, as by a signed agreement."

    Why did you overlook these other definitions?
     
  12. myview

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    The meaning I wrote is the one that I took it as. Maybe that's not how you meant it.
    I find it hard to believe that there is not a single law in your state that goes against the teachings of Christ. But I could be wrong. But the bible does state to obey the law of the land. What if one of those laws are against the teachings of Christ? Not trying to stir things up with you. I really want to know.
     
  13. junobet

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    Yepp, everybody has the right to preach whatever they feel inclined to preach. That would be according to the principles of the freedom of religion and the freedom of speech. I think these are principles worth upholding, sadly some religious and non-religious fanatics don't.
     
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    bingo!

    thanks for saving me the trouble of pointing out that good comes from man, not religion. just as 'negatives' do.
     
  15. crank

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    what, flying into buildings?

    or being kind?

    I'd agree with the first, and dispute the second (one of your lot confirmed that human behaviour has nothing to do with religion - as per my above post). not looking good for your side, is it.
     
  16. crank

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    how very bibliocentric of you. you even use religiocentric terminology to demonise those who have the courage to shine a light on the fails. good one!

    however, you're utterly wrong. hitchens and his ilk are not the ones make fantastical claims about sky fairies, they are merely addressing the wrongness - loudly and clearly. the white noise made by 2000 years of assumed primacy demands it.
     
  17. Incorporeal

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    Did I say that there was not one? Hmmm. You are fantasizing.


    That it does. Obey the law.


    Let your conscience be your guide. In other words, pray and ask for guidance.
     
  18. myview

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    So you agree that there are some laws in your state that go against the teachings of Christ. Then you said. "I am socially required to abide by those laws: Unless there is a law which is contradictory to the teachings of Jesus the Christ". So do you or do you not obey the laws that go against the teachings of Christ?
     
  19. Incorporeal

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    No I don't abide by those laws. On the other hand. I don't involve myself in circumstances which are governed by those laws, therefore those laws have no impact upon me.
     
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    Religion is a natural part of humanity.
     
  21. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Bring back all of the ones with human sacrifices and temple prostitutes. Those were the best because they showed true commitment. All of the current religions are nothing compared to those.
     
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    The thing is that the only religion the crazy old coot Abraham had was banging his sister for all of her life, lying, cheating, stealing, killing, and engaging in sexual perversion by whacking off guys' foreskins. He was an adulterer who treated his kids like dirt. He even intended to kill one and roast his carcass like a hunk of mutton. Anyone who follows his religion is as nutty as he was.

    Now crazy Moses actually had a religion. He created Judaism. If anyone should get the credit for starting the belief system that led to the religions generally referred to as Abrahamic (Islam, Judaism, and Christianity) it should be the homicidal maniac known as Moses and his brother Aaron.

    Abraham didn't do anything worth mentioning and is one of the most despicable people in the entire Bible.
     
  23. Right Wing

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    Why would you want to get rid of the right to keep it?
     
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    Aren't we all?


    Are you any better than those in prison with or without religion? If you believe you are, that's pretty self righteous.
     
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    Religions are primarily multi-level pyramid schemes that enable con men to set up respectable private businesses known as churches, synagogues, mosques, or temples.
     

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