Rockets Fired Between Gaza and Tel Aviv

Dude .. just because they were allowed to build a Church - does not mean Israel was a "State" - had Jurisdiction over the land on which the Temple was located - and surrounding area. This simply was not the case. The "Authority" in the region was as stated ... Persia - Greece - Rome ..

And second - the land occupied by primarily by Jews was a tiny tiny fraction of the "Promised Land" in any case . so even if one did claim "this was a State" it would amount to way less land than Israel has presently.

So this argument is lost on both accounts.

 

Justifying rocket attacks on Israeli civilians?

 

What of those who have no other citizenship? Your plan for them is what exactly?

 

Not many - and never said anything contrary to the Edomite claim -- this has nothing to do with the Israel supposedly having some "State" - which they did not.

 

Study first, then post.

". . . Clinton blamed Arafat after the failure of the talks, stating, "I regret that in 2000 Arafat missed the opportunity to bring that nation into being and pray for the day when the dreams of the Palestinian people for a state and a better life will be realized in a just and lasting peace." The failure to come to an agreement was widely attributed to Yasser Arafat, as he walked away from the table without making a concrete counter-offer and because Arafat did little to quell the series of Palestinian riots that began shortly after the summit.[33][34][35] Arafat was also accused of scuttling the talks by Nabil Amr, a former minister in the Palestinian Authority.[36] In My Life, Clinton wrote that Arafat once complimented Clinton by telling him, "You are a great man." Clinton responded, "I am not a great man. I am a failure, and you made me one."[37]

Dennis Ross, the US Middle East envoy and a key negotiator at the summit, summarized his perspectives in his book The Missing Peace. During a lecture in Australia, Ross suggested that the reason for the failure was Arafat's unwillingness to sign a final deal with Israel that would close the door on any of the Palestinians' maximum demands, particularly the right of return. Ross claimed that what Arafat really wanted was "a one-state solution. Not independent, adjacent Israeli and Palestinian states, but a single Arab state encompassing all of Historic Palestine".[38] Ross also quoted Saudi Prince Bandar as saying while negotiations were taking place: "If Arafat does not accept what is available now, it won't be a tragedy; it will be a crime."[39] . . . "
2000 Camp David Summit - Wikipedia
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The 2000 Camp David Summit was a summit meeting at Camp David between United States ... The Oslo Accords of 1993 between the later assassinated Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and ... The failure to come to an agreement was widely attributed to Yasser Arafat, as he walked away from the table without making a ...

 

The uprisings are caused by Erdogan. He is a phenomenal orator who knows exactly how to arouse his people. There was a time when together with his side kick Devotoglu, they would visit nations with a Turkomans population and get them to start questioning their borders.

On his visit to Germany a few years ago, Merkel refused to let him speak for fear he would start arousing the nationalist Turks, and get them to threaten the Turks who didn't feel the same allegiance to Turkey.

Right now he isn't arousing just the Turks, but playing on the emotions of all the Muslims in the EU and especially France. There is an all out propaganda war against Israel. One reason would be his wife who is Palestinian, and another would be Israel's support of the Kurds which is an existential threat to Turkey.

Erdogan blames the vote on the Armenian genocide, which would give them claims to their former lands in Turkey on the Jews in the US. Also to top it off, Israel has formed a military alliance with his arch enemies Cyprus and Greece, and that hinders Turkeys territorial ambitions and control of the resources in the Aegean and Eastern Mediterranean.

 

The something amiss is @truth and justice's absurd claim Israeli Jews can "go back to Germany, Russia, and the US." A child born to one American parent in Israel is not a U.S. citizen unless the U.S. national parent lived in the United States.

Read this carefully, so you get it:

https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-12-part-h-chapter-5

An American mother, born in Israel, is a U.S. citizen because her parents were both U.S. citizens. She never lives in the U.S. Her son, born in Israel, is not a U.S. citizen. He can't go back to the U.S.

The son born in Israel knows no other home and has nowhere to go.

 

It's like you're looking in the wrong end of the telescope.

 

I haven't justified any attacks by anyone

 

There are Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza denied other identities. They're not Syrians, Jordanians, Lebanese or Egyptian. Most were born in the West Bank or Gaza. They self-identify as Palestinians. Good enough. They have a right to be there. Who are we to tell them who they are?

You could have had them integrate into your community. We should take the refugees, not poor countries like Jordan.

Have you considered they don't want a bunch of Palestinians--in Jordan's case, more
Palestinians?

Some of them have spent their entire lives in the West Bank. You figure to drive them out?

 

Germany:
“Former German citizens who between January 30, 1933 and May 8, 1945 were deprived of their citizenship on political, racial, or religious grounds, and their descendants, shall on application have their citizenship restored"
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...Vaw1OEbPTR1BgHrqwqkIuj1De&cshid=1621030723810

Russia:
Despite anti-Semitism, Russia lures back Jews

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKL118299720080506&ved=2ahUKEwiJ_5akmsrwAhWM0eAKHXh0A2AQFjAEegQIBhAC&usg=AOvVaw21qZ8douA08i2mmmQXT2xW&ampcf=1

US: you've shown that Jews (some) can move to US even though they had no direct links to the US

 

Instead of being the hero, Michael... it appears Putin wants to be the villain, Gog.


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Christians helped Jewish people during the Holocaust.

 

and firing almost 2000 rockets in a matter of days towards Israel are helping them how?

 

The people in the west bank are not responsible for the actions of people in Gaza

 

oh well that changes everything

 

Thus far today at least 16 Palestinians killed for each Israeli killed, and 25% of them are children.

 

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This is interesting... and rather odd.


Russian President Vladimir Putin called the escalating Israel-Palestinian conflict a direct threat to Russia's security on Friday. During a meeting with the Russian Security Council, Putin said that the proximity of the violence in Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip to Russia "directly affects" his country's agenda on security.


Holding a meeting with the Russian Security Council, Putin suggested discussing the situation in Jerusalem and Gaza Strip prior to the agreed agenda.

"I would like to ask my colleagues to comment on the current situation in the Middle East, I mean the escalated Palestinian-Israeli conflict – this is happening in the immediate vicinity of our borders and directly affects our security interests," he said.


https://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-p...nflict-direct-threat-russias-security-1591662

https://vestnikkavkaza.net/news/Vla...lation-poses-threat-to-Russia’s-security.html

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While other Christians perpetrated the Holocaust.

 

Here is Putin's quote on Kremlin.ru Wonder what they discussed?


But before we begin, I would like to ask our colleagues to speak about the situation in the Middle East, namely, about the aggravation of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, which is taking place in close proximity to our borders and directly concerns our security interests.

http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/65572

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Jewish people persecuted the early church. Every group has mistreated another group. Jews and Christians have persecuted each other.

 

Yep, that is rather odd. It's in the rough vicinity of their new security interests in Syria, but hardly anywhere remotely near their national borders. Seems the regime is eager to expand its regional influence under disputable pretexts.

 

Humans have persecuted other humans for as long as there have been humans, so yes.

 

The mistakes of the church have nothing to do with God dying for His creation.

 

I think we're out past the weeds and into the next county at this point.