Russia’s newest Su-30 multirole jets and Su-24 bombers practiced attack runs on NATO

I don't really follow this logic Alpha. The US is a war-mongering nation that regularly goes to war with other nations as a matter of hegemonic reach. Other developed nations aren't quite so warlike as the US. They don't have a hegemony to protect for their elites.

Even so, France would be an exception for it's defence industries. Sweden is another. Russia is another. So is China.

No, no, no.

The goal is to make sure no one can displace the US's global dominance position. Having a military unassailable USA would be a disaster for the world. Think the Thousand Year Reich. Whatever the US said would become the law.

Power corrupts, right.

 

Are you sure? http://fortune.com/2015/03/18/f35-joint-strike-fighter/
The F35 is still undergoing testing and it'll be a long time before it's signed-off as ready to be deployed.
http://aviationweek.com/defense/f-35-flies-against-f-16-basic-fighter-maneuvers
The comments after the main article make for interesting reading.

 

Yep, your link says it all

"Marine Corps. variant won’t reach initial operating capability—IOC in industry parlance—until this summer at the soonest. The Navy’s aircraft carrier-capable version, the F-35C, won’t reach IOC until at least 2018."

... with the FA18E/F/G production closing at 2017 it sounds about just right. Especially if they decide to commit to a Naval UCAV within the next 5 years, which will not take as long to produce and field, given the X45 is already testing all the systems for it.

Do you suggest that they would pull the pin on a project which is already populating flightlines and with aircrew busy training for it already where its needed at the USMC, simply because its not here 'now' on the CVN decks!? The USN will always want more jets...... because they'd really love to have more carriers!!

 

Hardly, just look at what the US does to people who are not fighting it.... trades with them WOW, how scarey. Now contrast that with the Russian's, who still live in empire 'join the union' mindset, and ISIL who convert, enslave or kill you. How evil of the US to want to give people freedom. The US tries to align with the Universal Decleration of Human Rights, perhaps its the UDHR you disagree with?

 

There's no chance of you ever being objective, I think.

Talking about trade -- and for the record. Today the US is trading with Russia, today's American bogeyman. The US also traded with the Soviet Union throughout the cold war. The US traded with Nazi Germany and funded it, too. The US doesn't care who it trades with so long as there's a good profit involved. So this as an argument is a non starter.

Your idealistic view of America would be laughable were it not so sad. The US elite are a tiny part of America numerically, but because they're filthy rich they call the shots there.

The US wants to give people freedom. My sides are hurting at your naïveté.

 

Canada is schedule to receive it's first by the end of 2016...

 

Everyone traded with the Nazi including Britain up to the invasion of Poland.
If one country on earth is to blame for the present day cluste(*)(*)(*)(*) it's the UK. Their the one, with France, who created the mess in the middle east in the first place. Their the one who raped Africa and Asia. Star looking in the mirror if you want to blame someone.

 

Operational, IOC? No. Then there's this:http://ottawacitizen.com/news/polit...ase-4-f-35s-in-2017-according-to-u-s-military
I can't find anything more recent.

 

No plane is operational from the get go... Even the CF-18 had to be worked on for about two years before being deemed operational. Those aren't cars, they're highly sofisticated technologicaly advance multi-millions $$$ aircraft.

And the total order is for 65 planes, not just 4.

 

You won't find me trying to absolve Blighty in her dealings with the world.

Not only did the UK trade with Hitler up to 1939, certain major companies continued trading with her throughout the war - and numerous members of the British ruling class remained ardent Nazis too. One royal prince was murdered on Churchill's orders to stop him flying off and signing a peace deal with Hitler in the early war period. The British owned Sth. African based De Deers, continued selling to Germany industrial diamonds throughout the war. Had they ceased doing that, Nazi Germany's war machine would've ground to a halt very quickly. They didn't and the British government kept this secret instead.

Meanwhile, having published these sorts of stories for decades and having looked in my own mirror in all sorts of other ways that you can't even begin to imagine - and wouldn't consider doing even if you did know -- it's time for you and the other wilfully blind Americans on this forum and elsewhere, to slough off the dead, scaly skin that America can't do any wrong no matter what, and to stop absolving it from all wrongdoing now and for evermore. The US is the new British empire and has been since shortly after WWI.

That's 100 years of murder, mayhem, corruption and unconscionable greed you now have to swallow - if you're to do what I've already done.

And I just don't see it happening.

So much for smug analogies about mirrors then...

 

Except I'm not an American... And having endured your colonialism I think I'm in a good position to tell you to stuff it.

 

I apologize for saying you're American, and you're right to point that out.

But everything else you've said is arse about face.

I didn't colonize you (when was that btw?) and wouldn't even if the opportunity arose. I'm British but don't associate myself with British political and foreign policy (on the contrary I often oppose it), and have written extensively on these sorts of matters --so I find it a little backwards of you to play the blame game by associating all people who were born British to be automatically guilty of their nations past history. It's a ridiculous and, I have to say, a bigoted position to hold.

So you "telling me stuff" is a little rich don't you think.

 

As far as an existing unassailable U.S. Military....I am afraid that train has already left the station.

And if EUROPEAN'S....could get off thier A$$E$ for once and deal with problems in their own BACK YARD.....my TAXES WOULD BE A HELL OF A LOT LOWER!!!

When the E.U. was created I thought....Hey! Great!! Maybe there will no longer be any more European Wars!!!

WRONG!!!

Nations like France and Germany wanted to run the show.

The E.U. is lucky in that it is protected by the U.S. Military.

It will be interesting to see exactly what happens in 2023 when the U.S. and Canada become 100% Energy Self Sufficient and the United States will begin scaling back our Military in the Oil Rich states of the Middle East?

I am going to just LOVE WATCHING the E.U. and the U.K. argue over how to ensure their Energy Supplies!!!

AboveAlpha...p.s...Good Luck dealing with Russia!! LOL!!!

 

Do you know who was actually behind the founding of the European Union, Alpha? Way back when.

I do. Tell me about it please?

 

Sometimes, I am quite sure we are ALL 15 year olds posting from our mother's basements, even me and I'm retired. People who are actually IN the military don't really talk about it to their best friends, let alone rattle off on an internet board. Does it surprise anyone that EVERYTHING here can be picked up in just a few hours of reading on military websites?

 

Yet you do the same with American and Israeli... Pot meet kettle.

As for my country, you colonized it starting on 13 septembre 1759. It took up until the 1950's for the french canadian to take back the power and stop being treated as second class citizen by the queen arse kissing brits loving english canadian.

You are still benefiting today from the raping of your former colonies. Your whole society and way of life are the result of it. Thousands upon thousands were conscripted forcefully to fight and die in your wars and to save your sorry arse without you even feeling the bit grateful about it.

The thing that put a smile on my face is that you are starting to be colonized yourself by people who are waiting for the first occasion to repay you in kind...

 

Your above post, for me, is supreme nonsense.

Firstly, allow me to state the obvious. I was not here in 1759. It's ludicrous to imply that I be held personally responsible for something that happened over 250 years ago. I find the notion you have of associating yourself (and me for that matter) with your country as quite absurd, and it clearly indicates an inability to separate yourself as an individual from the collective. I don't allow myself that luxury or that intellectual laziness.

Your second error is to say I do the same with America and Israel as you accuse me of doing because of some happen-chance of birth. This again, for me is a fatuous and fallacious argument. This is not what I do at all. My position is that US and Israeli foreign policy is clearly unjust, not to say often criminal, and that the American and Israeli elite promulgates the policy of perpetual war for their own benefit, to the detriment of numerous others, including Americans. I object to that, because I find it repugnant and indefensible.

And unlike you it seems, I won't turn a blind eye to ongoing atrocities simply because my own birth nation has a very similar history to these two, or because I harbour childish resentments about history and deal with them by projecting them on to others.

As for what puts a smile on your face, I couldn't care less to be perfectly honest.

 

And I have to admit…. that a gifted psychic friend of mine sure got me thinking back in September of 2013 when she told me……..

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=345791&page=6&p=1064547757#post1064547757

 

We were backing the creation of a UNITED STSTES OF EUROPE.....but Europe is too Pig Headed and Divided by 1000 year old plus conflicts.

AboveAlpha....the U.S. will reign supreme for the forseeable future.

 

We were backing the creation of a UNITED STSTES OF EUROPE.....but Europe is too Pig Headed and Divided by 1000 year old plus conflicts.

AboveAlpha....the U.S. will reign supreme for the forseeable future.

 

Hypocrisy at its finest...

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Stuff it with your silly nonsense already.

 

The EU was the creation of a far right wing European clique with powerful intelligence connections, such as those of Jean Violet and the awful Brian Crozier of Le Cercle Pinay and the then Director of the CIA, Walter Bedell-Smith - who post war was occupied, in addition to his CIA directorship, to dealing in art works plundered by the Nazis with a Dutch national by the name of Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands. The Prince was a former member of the SS and a Nazi spy during WWII.

And in this regard the double spy, Christian Lindemans is of significance - especially when it came to Operation Market Garden.

 

The following conflicts with your assertion about Bernhard who was not a member of the SS but was very briefly affiliated with the SA, and apparently dropped all associations with the Nazi party in 1934. He eventually went on to fly with the RAF on bombing missions over occupied Europe. What are your sources? http://www.bilderberg.org/bernhard.htm#lied

 

Will that be the type that is out by 2016 that will be delivered to Canada?

http://www.politicalforum.com/canad...orrect-abt-f-35-being-best-our-air-force.html
Could P. M. Stephen Harper be correct abt the F-35 being the best for our air force?