But it doesn't make a blind bit of difference what jurisdiction relates to the waters because it's all British law, it's all British waters and it was the British Parliament. At the time, Scotland didn't even have a Parliament.
Nit-picking. There is no British law, and that is a fact. Anyway, all that English-parliament-supreme nonsense is on the way out, and a good thing too. And, by the way, on a point of terminology, very little of what is now Scotland was ever part of Britannia, so 'British' is a peculiarly odd term, though we may be stuck with it. The British people are now called 'Welsh', which is foreign for 'foreign'.
There is no English Parliament. There is a Scottish Parliament and a Welsh Assembly, there is even a Manx Parliament, some say a Cornish Parliament but there is no English Parliament and that is fact. Scotland is British because with the act of union the English Parliament and the Scottish Parliament merged to form the British Parliament. The British people are people who inhabit Britain, they are a mixture of many peoples and are called many things.
Very true. Not so long ago there was only Westminster and many of the smaller areas of Britain have had a bit of a problem with the South Kensington question - indeed many parts of the North of England and even the Midlands feel that too. It was a shame England did get offered Regional Assemblies with power to decide their own affairs. Had that happened we likely would be talking about a Federal UK, rather than Scottish Independence. There are already calls for Regional Assemblies again - this time proper ones with proper powers for the local people. The Act of Union makes Scotland a part of the United Kingdom. Scotland in 1707 wanted a federal agreement, knowing full well that a Westminster Parliament would not put her wishes top of the table. However she had little choice and bribery secured the Union. That is what it was actually a Union and Scotland never even closed her parliament. I believe she put it in recess or some such thing. She also kept many of her own traditions. She kept her own branch of religion and her own education and her own legal system. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scots_Law I think we're maybe carrying on from 1707. Federalism didn't happen then or now and this time we are looking like we are going for Independence again.
Scotland retained a separate legal system, btw...but don't let the truth get in the way of a good story. I've read a few of the latest posts and really, who cares what happened in the past? It's over. The oil is Scottish, it was always Scottish and when UK is dissolved, whatever is left of it will be Scottish regardless of your thoughts and assertions. It's a ridiculous argument not even worth engaging in IMO (like so many the English raise in these threads). On topic, today's news mentions the grey vote and suggests older Scots are more attached to the union than younger people. They are saying the vote may be lost because of the grey vote. Salmond has been pushing to let younger people have the vote, I suppose that is why. Now why would the elderly Scot be more attached to the union? Is it objective and about the good of the country and the future of the country? Is it about which set up is likely to provide a larger state pension? Am I being unreasonable or harsh in wondering if anyone is small minded and self oriented enough to consider completely personal benefit before the good of the community? Perhaps they can limit the voting age (don't hit me OQ).
The Act of Union made Scotland part of Britain. The Royal and Parliamentary Titles Act of 1927 made Scotland part of the United Kingdom.
No they did not retain a separate legal system, they did not retain a separate anything because they were not separate. I know this is hard for a Nationalist to get past their conditioning but the fact is Scotland is British therefore everything which is Scottish is also British. The Scottish legal system is a British legal system. Scotland is part of Britain. But don't let reality get in the way of your brainwashing.
Why is it called the Scottish Legal System then? Oh look...you better contact these people, they don't know what you "know" http://www.lawscot.org.uk/ http://www.slab.org.uk/ http://www.scottishlaw.org.uk/ We are as UK as we are EU. It's a passing convenience, let's hope it passes soon...
The very fact it is called the Scottish Legal System makes it British. As I have pointed out repeatedly Scotland is part of Britain. Nationalist denial makes no difference whatsoever. Nationalist pretence Scotland isn't really part of Britain doesn't alter anything. If it is Scottish then by definition it is British. You wouldn't say Edinburgh Rock isn't Scottish because it is Edinburgh would you? That wouldn't be rational would it? That wouldn't make any sense would it?
Fredc picks nits to the level of the trivial and pointless...something which on other forums is called trolling, but on this one is too often what passes as discussion. It serves to deflect from the subject, not add anything to it. The whole point of this thread, and I suppose all threads on Scottish independence is not that we are not part of a Union which, had imposed on it an artificial nationality designated as British, at the whim of the English Parliament in 1707......but why we want to remove ourselves from that Union and how we intend to go about as Scots with a right to self-determination if we choose to exercise that right. After all...it is precisely because we don't want to be perceived as having pretendy British Nationality, with all that entails re loss of identity and control of our lives etc, that we are heading in the direction we are. The English Parliament is now reaping what it sowed initially in 1707 by rejecting federalism...and its continuing practices of inequity and unfairness to the smaller nations in the UK, under the guise of a UK Parliament and UK "democracy" is why we are where we are. In much of the West, "democracy" is simply a weasel word to describe the rule by self interest and elitism under a system deliberately set up to prolong that rule interminably. We are only "stronger together" when we stand together.....and growing numbers within all nations in the UK are no longer prepared to "stand together" for a failing system which is perceived as unfair to them and only serves to elevate a small coterie of individuals to a level where they can promote their own self interest and sense of importance, and dictate the actions and consequences to all the nations of maintaining that self interest and sense of importance. This UK Parliament elitist sense of privilege and right to dictate is epitomised no better than in David Cameron's statement that if we vote no to Independence.....he will allow us enhanced devolution powers...with no details as to what they would be. As we watch the Scotland Bill going through Parliament at the moment, on its way to being eventually rejected by a Scottish Parliament because it is one which gives with one hand, takes with the other and does not address anything to which the Scots aspire, we see little prospect of anything better than that ever getting produced by Unionists who wish to keep their controlling heel on the Scottish neck. We have been fooled before by promises which came to nothing, or to a lot less than promised..and are older and wiser now.
fredc tells it how it is in the real world not the pretend wanna be world of the Nationalist. Now please try to accept that you are wrong instead of calling people who try to point out reality names. To the vast majority of people in the world Scotland is a part of Britain and we aren't going to pretend otherwise to suit the fantasies of a few Nationalists.
Nothing to do with 'Nationalism'. Independence would have no chance if it depended on 'Nationalism'. Independence is inclusive. This is about Politics. but you know what, I think this is where you are coming from, Britain First, - British Nationalism is what you seem to be advocating. http://www.britainfirst.org/scotland/ Also do not think it is only a few who are interested in Independence. Bookmakers have changed their odds from 3/1 to 5/2 and two and a half years still to go......
That link would indicate the level of intelligence of those fredc is aiming his posts at.....the BNP. Do the Britain Firsters think we can't google to ascertain which patriotic political party all their leadership are/have been heavily involved in? In fact, thinking about it.....fredc's efforts to tar the SNP as campaigning for Hitler in WWII in this thread is not a lot different in intent to the action of the Britain First Coordinator for Scotland doctoring a picture of Jim Murphy to make him look like Adolf Hitler in the run up to the 2011 election. Typical BNP irrationality being adopted by some Unionists........and not to the benefit of their "arguments".
Actually if you had read many of my posts you would know I speak out against all discrimination and prejudice not just the anti English prejudice of the Scots Nationalists. If you care to look back on the Broadwater Farm thread you will see me defending the residents against the discrimination and prejudice of those calling out for the "Irish Tinkers" to be thrown out. Anyone can look back at that thread and see that your opinion of me is false.
What does it matter to anyone in Scotland what the rest of the world thinks we are now? Not a jot or tittle! Why would you think that it would......bar that you are English and think you know best what everybody should think. What we are talking about is what we want to be in the future.....and the fact that we sit in the British Isles, on one part of which has been imposed the invented name of Britain, has bugger all to do with anything. You may be right.......and in the end we may well bottle it and not vote for independence..but posts like yours all over the internet helps our cause, rather than hinders it!
It is an English parliament and has always been an English parliament. It has thrust its squalid theiving tory gangs on the rest of us for years because, obviously in an English parliament, the representatives of 'England' outvote everyone. Do stop talking nonsense.
In fact, if anyone has any doubt whatsoever that I have any sympathies with the BNP I will post a link to a post in the afore mentioned thread where you can see for yourselves me defending the Irish travellers from prejudice and bigotry. http://www.politicalforum.com/4619190-post149.html
Would that be the one where a third of the posts defending to the nth degree the illegal actions of those evicted from Dale Farm are yours...not just defending the illegality but also the violence. The one where you say.....I don't interpret "like the rest of us" as meaning "like I am" but where you do interpret those who don't agree with your blanket belief that all travellers are pure as the driven snow and never cause anybody any problems, as racist and bigots to the extent that you insinuate that they also believe that gypsies steal babies? Would that have been before or after you made your bigoted posts against the Scots, fredc?
I am opposed to Nationalism, that is no more being against the Scots than opposing the BNP is being against the British.
The BNP is totally English, as you know. So is 'opposition to nationalism': it means centralism and bullying, always.
So if the BNP is totally English how come googling "BNP Wales" throws up so many results? So you say opposing the BNP will mean centralism and bullying?
The BNP is working very hard. It has a handful of well-paid Englishmen in Newport, and very few people vote in the European elections. End of story. And, of course, the English nazis generally move west: they prefer to have pinky-grey subhumans to bully than black and brown ones, and we have at least one constituency with a foreign (English) majority.
