What should the punishment be for the woman if she attempts to “self manage” her own abortion with an abortifacient of even mechanical intervention. Various methods have been tried Getting the “baby father” to punch them in the gut Taking any one of a multitude of abortifacients https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/232204/ Importing mifepristone And then there is the old standby of the coat hanger Usually these women have ended in hospitals - should they be treated or left to die since it was “their own fault”
Outside of pregnancy, which isn't a medical emergency, are there many health crises that lands one in an ER that isn't, in some part, self-inflicted? There might be a few exceptions but smart people usually don't Darwin Award themselves.
We have had threads before where we discussed what possible punishments could be. Some members had some creative ideas. It also of course depends how far along in the pregnancy it was.
What would you think about a woman conspiring with her husband to have him punch a baby, with the hope of killing it? I think we would both clearly agree that constitutes child abuse, and the woman would be hauled off to prison along with the man. But it seems when that happens inside a womb you have a very different view of it. The woman is not the primary one being punched, in this situation.
Bowerbird, with your argument, I could argue that any murder should be legalized. I'm sure you have half a dozen things lying around the house that could be used to poison or kill someone. Oh, by the way, many of those abortifacients on that list do not work very well and are not guaranteed to work, or could make the woman very sick and end up sending her to the hospital. (which some might argue she probably deserves)
It will most likely be made a controlled substance in these states. Much like how in places that ban guns they assume someone would only ever have a gun if they were going to commit a crime and kill someone, in places where abortion is banned they will likely assume that anyone with these pills is planning to commit a killing in the womb. Bad things can happen with coat hangers. If she ends up needing to go to the hospital, she will be found out. If, on the other hand, she avoids going to the hospital, she could suffer the same fate as the life inside of her just did.
What a ridiculous question. No Pro-Lifers advocate preventing women from getting medical treatment if they need it.
You are incorrect. By making it a crime, women will avoid seeking medical care out of fear of incarceration. Only when they are close to death would they risk going to an ER for treatment.
Do-it-yourself at home abortion kits will become very popular and easily acquired. As in you'll be able to get them on Amazon or Alibaba.
One possible solution to this problem could be to reduce the level of punishment to a level where the woman would likely be more concerned about the risk of dying in such a situation than the punishment. Of course, it is common for women not to think rationally. Maybe have a special law in place where the punishment will be much less if the only evidence against her comes from her visit to the hospital. (As long as the abortion was before 16 weeks. If it's after that, the discount should be much less)
Your sexist comment doesn't help your argument or put you in a position to criticize a woman's thinking.
I did not mean that it is true specifically to only women. Another way I could have phrased it is "it is common for people not to think rationally in that situation", but used the word "women" because obviously "men" would not apply to that situation.
Fair enough. I do not believe turning anything over to the government can be considered rational thinking.
Well, if we already do it with just about everything else, why not do it with abortion too? That is the way society is going, whether we like it or not. Maybe as long as there are progressives moaning about abortion rights, they might be a tiny bit less eager to toss out other rights.
Government overreach got to the point of a revolution. Why did we fight for independence only to give it back? If you justify one, you support all.
90% of Abortion supporters are not Libertarian. They can try to use that argument, but I think many of them will be hypocrites if they do.
Anyone with a letter by their name is a hypocrite. Many repubs oppose government interference in ones bodily autonomy. While I don't have a party, I do live where government interference in our lives is excessive.
Wow, Pro-Abortion-Choicers even want to take things into their own hands. This abortion issue is pushing Progressives to start looking more and more like Conservatives every day. There's nothing more conservative than taking things into your hands and doing it yourself.
The 10-yo rape victim from Ohio whose life was in jeopardy due to her pregnancy had to go to Indiana for an abortion. And now her doctor is being persecuted by the Indiana DA. Nothing she did was illegal and the procedure was medically necessary, Face it, these same people would force a terminally ill patient with no hope, to suffer horribly for years just to satisfy their religious crap. They are horrible horrible people. They don't care who they hurt as long as their narrow-minded view of reality based on a fairy tail, is satisfied.
Was the procedure really medically absolutely necessary? How about a little more information, like the gestational age of that fetus, perhaps.
Wrong questions The right question is - how desperate must a woman be to be repeatedly punched in the gut as a way of inducing abortion?
