Sen. Rand Paul says mask mandates were always about 'submission'

LOL I'd bet that you can't find one. In any case, healthy people don't normally have an issue with covid. This is especially true with omicron.

 

1) Never said folks with "Obesity are immuno-compromized" - you keep on making up nonsense and attributing this nonsense to me because you can't stay on topic .. jumping around like a rabbit from one thing to another.

2) Your definition of "immuno-Compromized" is not actually a definition but a list of some common for Moderate to Severe cases .. There is a whole spectrum of factors which weaken one's immune system. Going out into the cold weakens your immune system .. having comorbidities .. some of which are on the list - weakens one's immune system.

3) What part of people with Comorbidities make up 94% of Deaths - do you not understand ? - would you like a link for this ?
CDC: 94% of Covid-19 deaths had underlying medical conditions

People with Comorbidities - have a weakened immune systems - as you age your immune system weakens .. until finally you succomb to pneumonia if a truck or meteor doesn't get to you first.

4) What part of -- if Covid doesn't take out your heart - brain - or some other strange rare thing you die from pneumonia .. do you not understand ? When you die from Cancer .. what actually kills you in the end is Pneumonia - same with most other disease ..

The vast majority of folks showing up Dead/ ICU - are "Unhealthy" - near all of which have weakened immune systems .. in varying degrees.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/kickboxing...s-covid-checking-himself-out-hospital-1663418
A 41 year old, 3 time ex-world champion kickboxer died from "just a flu". He was still kick boxing in 2018.


You can go to his grave and yell that he needs to wake up.

 

And he'd still be alive if he had just worn a mask?

 

You did say exactly that with you "immune compromized which includes pneumonia succeptible and a whole spectrum you don't understand - Obesity - Athsmatics."
Maybe you didn't mean it, but you did write it down like that. Your English probably isn't good enough for you to grasp, and that includes scientific texts.

First of all: Aha! Flip flopping back that being fat are immunocompromised are we?
Secondly. I sourced how it is. Your opinion is not sourced.
Does it look like I care about your opinion?

Your claim of underlying medical condition = weakened immune system, is a totally insane fabrication.
Having freaking astma is an underlying medical condition. Those people could have a picture perfect immune system as far as you know.

Pneumonia is a dumb codeword from anti-vaxxers who deny they got covid and dying of it.
Your argument flat out shows you are parroting the insanity of fake news anti-vax rhetoric.
So no. When you got covid and the wild unfounded claim is made that it's "pneumonia" that made the kill.. it really actually was covid that did it.

 

You can look up how well masks work all on your own by using google.

 

They don't.

 

The entire medical world is using masks against infections. Have been like that for who knows how long.
And here you are claiming it is all a joke. Sure, buddy, sure.
You think I care about your opinion?

 

You allways respond to them.

 

I always respond that I don't care about people's opinions if they can't source they are true.

 

You are confusing your lack of understanding of the subject matter for "Flip Flopping

1) many things weaken the immune system - you gave a list of some of the moderate and severe - "Immune Compromized" I did not state that someone who was obese was necessarily immune compromized .. nor with underlying medical condition - you are making things up and attributing to me.

What can be said however, is that someone who is 85 years old with 4 comorbidities - has a weak immune system. This is not just "The Science" but common sense.

2) The claim that Pneumonia is a "dumb codeword from anti-vaxxers" is ridiculous nonsense .. which pretty much sums up the rest of your post.

3) your premise that those who have weakened immune systems are helped less by the vax than healthy people .. is unsupported nonsense

The fact that you can't figure out that 6 people unvaxed (with comorb- obese- immune compromized - pneumonia succeptible) showing up in the hospital vs 1 vaxed from the same category ... tells you the vax is working pretty well for this group .. I don't know what else to tell you...

 

I can assure you that my opinion is my true opinion

 

I can assure you, I do not care about your opinion.

 

It's easy to see that.

 

It's cute the way you are aping 557. He must be so proud.

 

"I did not state that someone who was obese was necessarily immune compromized"... but you ARE (as now shown in bold) again and again mixing up 3 totally different things and act like it's all interchangeable, while it's just not.
And I will refer to this post if you keep going on like this.

It ends up to be:

1) NO the vaccine doesn't work well with specifically the immunocompromised. I sourced it is. I sourced specifically who they are. You are dead wrong on that account.
2a) People who have a comorbidity, like astma can have excellent immune system. The vaccination works well on them, just like any healthy person. That comorbidity doesn't go away when being healthy.
2b) People who have a comorbidity, like obesity could also have an excellent immune system. The vaccination works well on them, just like any healthy person. There is no time to work on that comorbidity. Going healthy is nice for the long run, but no help during a pandemic. Pure logic you can't lose weigh as fast as getting a jab.
3) people who just have a weak immune system because they are old or something... the jab works perfectly well for those people. I seriously doubt an old person would greatly benefit for some kind of healthy lifestyle since it won't cure old age and THAT is the reason why they have a weak immune system. Since it's your point, which I doubt, you're free to prove your thing.

Also. The jab is far more important against corona than being healthy. People died like flies with the Delta variant, but hardly those who got vaxxed.

All hail science.

While you can be cute and all that the current Omicron isn't that deadly, and drag only those statistics in, and whine that the previous ones are not relevant. It's not as if you can promise a next version of Corona isn't around the corner. We had Corona in 2012 as well.

Says you, while you keep bringing up pneumonia as a cause of death in a covid debate, proving my point.
And you did it again in this post.

 

1) was you who accused me of saying obese was necessarily immune .. and you are the one who is mixed up .. having no clue what you are talking about .. the first 2 studies did not support your claim .. I had to explain what the study meant ..

and neither does this one. https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2021/12/covid-19-vaccines-cancer-patients.html

This is a study of cancer patients .. some immune compromized did worse than other cancer patients - no surprise there. Where is the comparison to the unvaxed ? Which is what is being claimed .. that vaxed immune compromized do better than the unvaxed.

You keep posting links that do not support your claim .. while ignoring hard evidence to the contrary.

 

So, if the argument is because something offers 70% protection against hospitalization we should not consider any other mitigation, consider this. Before Covid vaccines existed, guess what percentage protection against hospitalization existed? Depending on the study, between 94-99%. Yes, that’s right. Out of 100 people who were infected with Covid, depending on the strain, state, and time frame, only 1-6 of those infected required hospitalization. That is sky high protection against hospitalization. So using your argument, going to all the trouble of creating, manufacturing, distributing, administering, and treating side effects was a waste of time. Those factual statistics show HOW INCREDIBLY WELL our immune systems work—94-99% protection against hospitalization! Without doing ANYTHING! No driving to a clinic. No shot. No second shot. No booster. No second booster. . No side effects. No paying for the shots with tax dollars. Sky high protection without doing anything “hard”. Creating a vaccine was unnecessary. That’s essentially your argument.

My goal is to save lives. Your goal is to get people vaccinated and you don’t care if they die or go to the hospital as long as they are vaccinated.

No. I provided studies showing better protection from severe Covid through just TWO lifestyle choices than vaccination alone. And you have provided no study directly comparing health choices vs. vaccination either. LOL

You also tried to pass off false statistics to show vaccination provides better protection. I keep telling you we need to use ALL available mitigations. Not just one. Just one leads to UNNECESSARY deaths.

Nobody in our discussion has recommended health as an alternative. That’s a fallacious argument from you. I know you reject science. Almost every post you make on PF is in direct conflict with published science.

You do realize vaccinated individuals are tapping out on life as well, correct? I care about those lives. You want to deny them added protection beyond vaccination. Sad.

 

https://www.courier-journal.com/sto...es-despite-being-fully-vaccinated/8209027002/

https://www.nfldraftdiamonds.com/2021/09/azorean-tatum/

There are vaccinated folks dying of Covid as well. I don’t think yelling at their graves will do any good. What may have done some good was offering them other mitigations that would have strengthened their innate immune systems and their adaptive immune systems so the vaccine would have been more efficacious for them or their innate immune system could have prevented systemic infection.

 

I made clear what my position is on obesity and how well the vax works.
It's in the part you casually deleted when you replied to my previous post.

Indeed, Giftedone, where is comparison with the unvaxed? YOU, with your home remedies, got nothing to show.

 

You posted "LOL I'd bet that you can't find one"
And you lost that bet... while you were laughing at the idea.
I note you're keen to ignore you were dead wrong.

I never made a bet that nobody would die from covid while vaxxed.

You can look up how many people died when unvaxxed vs vaxxed at your own leisure.
You can post the link if you think the result would surprise me.

 

This is nonsense - you keep jumping around like a rabbit from topic to topic - making up things as you go - pretending to not understand what you have read.

You accused me of having a position on Obesity that I did not profess - now you ramble on about Obesity - when the discussion was your claim that immune compromized benefit less from vax than healthy person .. and the study you posted that did not support your claim ..not even making a comparison between vaxed and unvaxed

Now you ask me for comparison between vaxed and unvaxed - pretending this has not been given to you numerous times - rambling on about home remedies as if that was the topic.

Loopy dee doopy.

 

Are you serious? Quote me. I NEVER posted what you just claimed. If you can’t keep PF members straight of who says what you need to get off the platform. This is about the fourth time you’ve accused me of posting something someone else posted!

Never said you did. Get your posts straight dude.

Not interested in strawman arguments directed at some other PF member.

Use the PF quote function to show I’ve claimed ANY of the things you allege here. I implore you.

 

You started with healthy lifestyle. You have a position on that. So I drag in people who are not healthy, as in the people who are obese.
And those people benefit directly to the jab, unlike your idea.

I gave my opinion on it rather clear on the immunocompromised:
1) NO the vaccine doesn't work well with specifically the immunocompromised. I sourced it is. I sourced specifically who they are. You are dead wrong on that account.

You're just childishly ignoring this and delete it out when you reply.

You have not linked a study how well eating healthy is benefitting specifically that tiny group of people who are immunocompromised.
You linked a general study about it.
I also linked a general study about getting vaxxed.
And it showed the numbers of getting vaxxed are far better,
showing going healthy isn't a good alternative compared to the vax.

 

ah, you barged into the bet of an other poster.
A bet that I won.

I'm not interested in you altering the bet and dragging something else in.