Shooter identified as James T. Hodgkinson, Bernie supporting Trump hater !

He said "I Am" when asked. What do you think he meant?

 

7 Times Jesus said "I Am"
https://www.voiceofprophecy.com/articles/blog/7-times-jesus-said-i-am

Who knows. Anyone it seems can pick and choose which one they want and interpret them how they want.

 

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Did Jesus Say He Was God
QUESTION: Did Jesus Say He Was God?

ANSWER:

The gospel of John, which presents Jesus Christ in His deity, is sometimes called the "I AM" book. Over and over again in the book of John, Jesus said, "I AM." To the learned Jew this phrase "I AM" was very significant. It was a claim by Jesus that He is God. Why? In the Old Testament when God called Moses to lead the nation of Israel out of Egypt, He told Moses to tell the nation that "I AM" has sent you (Exodus 3:13-15). "I AM" is the covenant God of Israel, Jehovah! Therefore, the great "I AM" is the designation for God to the nation of Israel and Jesus' statement "I AM" is a clear indication that He was saying, "I AM God."

Did Jesus say He was God? Jesus claimed equality with the God the Father. "Jesus said to them, 'My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am working.' For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God" (John 5:17-18).

"Then Jesus, still teaching in the temple courts, cried out, 'Yes, you know me, and you know where I am from. I am not here on my own, but he who sent me is true. You do not know him, but I know him because I am from him and he sent me'" (John 7:28-29).

"Then they asked him, 'Where is your father?' 'You do not know me or my Father,' Jesus replied. 'If you knew me, you would know my Father also'" (John 8:19) "'I tell you the truth,' Jesus answered, 'before Abraham was born, I am!'" (John 8:58). "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30).

Therefore the Jews certainly understood that Jesus was claiming to be God and they sought to kill Him because of it. "'What about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, "I am God's Son"? Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. But if I do it, even though you do not believe me, believe the miracles, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.' Again they tried to seize him, but he escaped their grasp." (John 10:36-39). This is just one incident where the Jewish authority sought to take Jesus or to stone Him and He escaped out of their hands because His time had not yet come (John 8:20).

Jesus also affirmed His deity to the disciples. "'If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.' Philip said, 'Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.' Jesus answered: 'Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, "Show us the Father"? Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.'" (John 14:7-11, 20).

The seventeenth chapter of John records Jesus Christ's high priestly prayer. "After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: 'Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began'" (John 17:1-5).

In this wonderful prayer, Jesus says, "My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me" (John 17:20-21). Did Jesus say that He was God? Yes! Amen!"

http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/did-jesus-say-he-was-god-faq.htm

 

So significant was the phrase, the jews, God's chosen people, didn't believe him.
It was not a claim he was God, but an interpretation by some to think that is what he meant.

And it the OT, I AM is not God. God has many Jewish names, El, Elohim, Jehova, and many others.
Never was I AM a name give to God.

From your post:

How is there a claim he is God, then he tells his disciples that God would be his Father?

Yet another claim, he was sent by another, and he did not send himself.

 

1. The entirety of the Jews were NOT God's chosen people, those descended from Adam's line were the chosen to produce the messiah. The Jews as a whole are not God's chosen. Those who believe in Christ as the Son of God are.
"Those who do not have the Son, have not the Father".

If the Jews of that time did not understand Jesus to be saying He was God, why did the Jews recognize that to be what he was saying and respond: " You, a mere man claim to be God?" And want to kill Him on the spot?

You're entitled to your opinion, dairyair...but there is no good argument you can make to say Jesus didn't call himself God.

 

According to the biblical story, every single human is a decent from Adam's line. He and Eve were the only 2 humans for a period of time.
So, what is your claim, I've seen 2 now. Jesus is God? Or Jesus is The Son of God?

I don't have to make an argument. There is nothing ever where Jesus claimed to be God.
Even refused to answer the direct question, according to some of the gospels, at his trial.

 

The common layman understanding is that all mankind comes from Adam & Eve, but this is debatable, though not important when it comes to being saved or not. Can you tell me who Cain was afraid of running into when he left his family's land? Is it possible God created Adam and Eve first, but that there were other humans created as well shortly after? If you read your bible, God didn't create Eve until Adam expressed lonlieness....something to think about.

 

It's why I gave up the religion. The whole thing is whatever anyone wants it to be. If one doesn't like a particular verse, interpret it to mean something that makes sense to the individual.
The whole thing, the bible, is just made up. With bits and pieces of reality mixed in.

 

And you can believe that. I'm not going to attempt to change your mind.

You either want to know God or you don't, and you and I will find out if we were right in the end.

Energy never entirely dies off though...

 

No doubt. I view god as energy and not the stories of the bible. If one believes in energy.
If one has spent their whole life in the biblical stories, it is tough to leave that. I know it was for me.
But I've always had questions from as little of a tyke as I can remember and never go satisfactory answers. And there never can be satisfactory answers unless one view, God works in mysterious ways and it is beyond all human understanding. I don't buy that stuff.

 

You can split hairs all day but it does not make Jesus guilty of any crime

 

When did I say Jesus was guilty of any crime?

 

Quick question....if energy never dies out, is it more likely there is an infinite energy source or not? And what would be the best explanation for such an energy source, God or accident?

 

Well, energy isn't infinite, there is a finite amount of matter and energy in the universe. I think what you are referring is the first law, which is the conservation of energy and mass. On the Standard Big Bang model there is an initial beginning and origin of the universe at which all matter and energy come into being, and then are conserved from that point on. When you say "accident", I think you mean "uncaused" which differs in no meaningful respect from "it just happened". But those would seem to be the choices, either caused or uncaused.

 

I understand. So how do we end up with what we have without deliberate design though?

 

We also had the weather underground group who did bombings in the late 60's & early 70's.

 

Though not a fan of the rape part, this is the most beautiful article I have ever read:
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The Huffington Post has unpublished an article in the wake of what was surely an ardent reader going on a shooting spree, wounding cops and congressmen in Alexandria, Virginia. Luckily, the shooter is dead. Sadly, he did not suffer long enough.


Radical Agenda EP317 – Ultimate Punishment

The article removed was published Saturday by contributor Jason Fuller, and called for Donald Trump to be executed. Titled “Trump must be prosecuted — if convicted in a court of law — executed,” Fuller says Trump must face the “ultimate punishment” because “impeachment isn’t enough.”

Surely neither the post nor the removal are particularly surprising to the Radical Agenda audience. The only thing that surprises us anymore is that there are still people who think leftists can be reasoned with. How anyone can watch Rachel Maddow et al, freak out like dopefiends in withdrawal – trying desperately to convince themselves as much as their audiences, that the President of the United States is a puppet for the Russian government – then walk out the door and think people who take this nonsense seriously are not a threat to their safety – is just completely beyond our comprehension. No matter how many times key witnesses get in front of Congress and say there is absolutely no evidence to the claims, they just keep on insisting that this Manchurian Candidate is going to be removed from power, one way or the other.

The shooting in Alexandria was the perfectly predictable response to this kind of propaganda. If I thought the North Koreans were running the United States government, I might shoot at some congress critters myself, and I would have an AK-47 sporting a 73 round drum, instead of an SKS with a 10 round mag. Leftist media lost their minds when Trump said he would pay the legal bills of supporters who fought agitators at his presidential rallies. They said he was promoting violence, a race war even, by uttering this off the cuff as security removed disruptive protesters, who it was later discovered were paid to provoke violence. The Huffington Post is literally publishing articles saying the President of the United States must die, and then have the nerve to tell us they had nothing to do with the untrained idiot who got himself killed trying to whack a congressman.

Violence against conservatives is now commonplace. We literally haven’t gone a month since July of 2016 without criminal violence against Trump supporters and other conservative figures being reported in the news. That would be troubling enough by itself, but since we know the news is overwhelmingly run by communists, we can be certain countless more attacks never made it to our screens.

It is no wonder then, that Democrats used their own guy’s criminal behavior to call for the conservatives they’ve been assaulting to be disarmed. Nor is it any wonder that they can’t even keep track of their lies surrounding the subject, such as when Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe said we lose 93,000,000 people a day to gun violence in the United States. By that math the country would be wiped out in less than four days. I suppose explains their obsession with illegal immigrants.

It never stops with these people, if you can even call them that. Every word that drops from their mouths is either a lie, or a truth told in furtherance of some other deception. They renounce violence when it suits them, and endorse it just as quickly the moment that endorsement advances their interests. Every effort they pursue, without exception, aims to diminish the interests of the right, and whatever demographics support it. They lie, and cheat, and steal, and assault, and rape, and murder, and pollute our gene pool with criminals and communists. Then tell us we are extra special wicked immoral people for questioning the benefits of their acts.

Jason Fuller insists that Donald Trump must receive the “ultimate punishment” and the Huffington Post was all too happy to deliver that message. The time is coming for them to get a message of their own. Donald Trump is the Ultimate Punishment, and we are his ****ing executioners. I think it quite conservative to say that tens of thousands of men are anxiously awaiting the word to fall out of the right person’s mouth, telling us that the wait is over and we can fulfill our purpose in life by competing to see who can kill the most communists.

We are not weak or gentle or unaware of what is being done to us. We are the same ruthless monsters who mastered the art of warfare before your favorite demographic discovered the wheel. But neither are we the dimwitted communist revolutionaries or Islamic jihadists you fawn over today. We are a disciplined, calculating, intelligent sort of menace, waiting for the right time to strike.

Lucky for those of us who are anxious for the chance, it cannot be far off. We’ve seen terrorism, race riots, false flags, and now shots fired. We’re not going to sit here and watch you topple an elected president, waiting to see what Democrats prefer to democracy. We will smash, stab, shoot, and bomb you in a manner that will make the Islamic State look civilized by comparison. We will slaughter your males, rape your women, and leave your children in the company of the pedophiles you set free on our streets. If anyone is going to impose an unelected government in North America, it’s going to be us, and the only thing we’re going to be more liberal with is the death penalty."

 

Well, I'm not sure that is correct.

Jesus explicitly told the Jews: " 'I and the Father are one.' The Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, 'I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?' 'We are not stoning you for any of these,' replied the Jews, 'but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God' " (John 10:30-33).

Now centuries later, separated by culture, language, custom and time, we might struggle to understand or have different takes on what he meant, but his contemporaries sure thought his claim was clear. Clear enough that they picked up rocks to stone him for the claim of being God.

 

I was going to start a separate thread for this post but because it plays into That1Guy's post just above so well I think I'll post it here. It's about nearly 50 year old events but the rhetoric from the Left then was very similar to today:

http://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/...cle_6d2e2a7a-52d9-50a0-87bc-f493cad3014f.html

Spotlight: Former STLer wins federal case over Vietnam protests
By Joe Holleman St. Louis Post-Dispatch 12 hrs ago (1)
The Air Force ROTC at Washington University
From 1970: The Air Force ROTC at Washington University being gutted by a fire. Photo by Lloyd Spainhower of the Post-Dispatch
Look Back
Firefighters call for help from police as they are pelted with rocks while trying to fight the fire at the Air Force ROTC building at Washington University. The University City and Clayton firefighters had to retreat while police waited to assemble a sufficient riot squad. Photo by Lloyd Spainhower of the Post-Dispatch
Howard Mechanic stands in courthouse hallway in 1970
Howard Mechanic (center) stands in a hallway of the old federal courthouse downtown during a break in a hearing on June 8, 1970. Mechanic, a student at Washington University, was accused of violating the federal anti-riot law for allegedly throwing a cherry bomb at police and firefighters during the violence at the ROTC building. He was convicted on Oct. 22, 1970.
Addressing U. City Peace Rally
Nina Gilden Seavy, standing second from left with hair in pigtails, listens in December 1969 to Yvonne Logan of the Peace Information Center. Seavy, then 12, led a march of students from Hanley Junior High School to protest the Vietnam War. Photo by Ted Dargan of the Post-Dispatch
Filmmakers live with the project they’re working on at any given time. Nina Gilden Seavey grew up with hers.

And Seavey’s latest project is one that hits close to home, the one she lived in while growing up in University City:

The May 1970 burning of an Air Force ROTC building on the Washington University campus during anti-war protests, and the subsequent trial and flight of protester Howard Mechanic, who was represented by her father, local civil rights lawyer Louis Gilden.

“This story is much bigger than St. Louis, but St. Louis was the crucible,” Seavey said in a recent telephone interview.

“They brought up the protesters on federal charges that had never been used before and never used since,” she said.

The project got a boost last month when Seavey won a lawsuit in federal court to gain greater, and free, public access to old records from U.S. intelligence agencies.

Documents that Seavey already has obtained begin to reveal the “extraordinary” extent the government went to investigate the protesting students, she said.

“It shows how Nixon’s Justice Department wanted to use these students as an example,” she said.

Seavey said the government had been releasing documents that she asked for through 386 separate requests but was charging her for them and only giving her 500 pages a month.

“At that rate, it would take 60 years to get the records,” said Seavey, who in her lawsuit asked to receive 5,000 pages a month.

Both sides now are waiting for the court to decide on the release plan.

With the additional information, Seavey hopes to complete the documentary — “My Fugitive” — by 2019 and release it in 2020, the 50th anniversary of the ROTC burning.

Some background about Mechanic and the protest:

In April 1970, President Richard Nixon announced that American troops had entered Cambodia from South Vietnam to attack enemy strongholds. Campus protests immediately sprang up.


On May 4 at Kent State University, Ohio National Guard soldiers confronted 1,000 angry protesters. When the confrontation was over, four unarmed students had been shot dead.

Hours after the Kent State news spread, a number of Washington U. students began protesting in the quadrangle and disrupted traffic on Forsyth Boulevard.

Shortly after midnight, about 30 protesters rushed the ROTC building, ransacked it and set it ablaze. Volleys of rocks forced firefighters to retreat.

Mechanic, then 22, was convicted of interfering with public safety officers. Instead of going to jail, he went underground in 1972. His secret life in Arizona was not uncovered until 2000, when he ran for a municipal office. President Bill Clinton pardoned him in 2001.

Some background on Seavey: She is a professor at George Washington University in both the history department and the media/public affairs school.

On the film side, she has produced, written and directed numerous documentaries on various subjects, including polio (“A Paralyzing Fear”) and armed conflict (“Parables of War”).

But her involvement with the protests began when she was a girl attending Hanley Junior High.

Her father was Louis Gilden, a prominent St. Louis civil rights lawyer who represented many conscientious objectors during Vietnam. Gilden, who died in 2000, represented Mechanic at his trial.

“Back in those days, there were always students and politicians, activists and clients, coming and going from our house,” Seavey said. “I have many memories of the phone ringing in the middle of the night, some (protester) calling for Dad to get him out of jail.

“And it wasn’t only my family. It seemed like everyone we knew was very, very politically active,” she said. “It was very much of the ’60s and ’70s. We lived that life.”

Seavey recalled having her picture in the Post-Dispatch in 1969, when she was 12. “I’d led a protest march of about 30 seventh-graders from Hanley to the University City Hall,” she said.

Seavey said her current project has bigger implications than what transpired in St. Louis, or even during the Vietnam War era.

“This is not about antiquities,” Seavey said. “This is about who we are as a country.”

 

How about just energy. But if one wants to call it God or any other name, they are free to do so.
And then why give this energy human like characteristics? A chosen people, some reason for some messiah?

 

Probability and time. Statistics.

 

Because it gave humans the top of the food chain.

 

The probability is not in favor of this being a random occurrence though.

 

Civil war would be Bannon's hope.

You live under a plutocracy (govt by and for the wealthy), not a democracy, and it's the plutocracy which sucks.

 

None of the above!

Energy is just another form of matter and can neither be created nor destroyed ergo the universe has always existed and will always exist in one form or another.