Shooter identified as James T. Hodgkinson, Bernie supporting Trump hater !

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  1. For Topical Use Only

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    The righteous right wing mind laid bare for all to see.
     
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    The guy who wrote that is a shock jock. It's meant to get people thinking and meant to be completely over the top.

    This is by no means how most right wingers think. His show is called "Radical Agenda" and he calls his political philosophy "Common Sense Extremism".
     
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    I don't think anything was given.
    And humans weren't the top of the food chain in the dinosaur era.
     
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    There is a big difference between the right to defend ourselves and out right aggression and violence, but the gun laws will make little distinction between the two. If we do not understand that all this violence and aggression is playing into the hands of authority and the justification for more control, we are in real trouble. This is not about who is president or the left or right; it is about division. We are in charge by our inalienable rights and only when we let those in positions of manipulation and unauthorized authority make our decisions for us are we left powerless and frustrated. The truth is in between the narrative of the left and the right. Either extreme is toxic and is guided more by emotions and frustration; than by truth or reason. We are in control by virtue of our freewill, not by the authority in Washington DC. We need to remember that.
     
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    See my sig. United we stand, divided we fall. The politicians are united, but they are good at dividing the people. The more they divide the people, the easier they can work behind the curtain for elites.
     
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    We need to be united under the idea that we will not succeed or fail because of who was elected, but what we as a people elected to do. Either for building a future that we decide or for a future that continues feeding the chaos.
     
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    The problem that we continue to have is that we are trying to function and prosper in a system of government, an economic system and a legal system that isn't geared for the average citizen. It is designed for those who stand to gain the most from it, which is big business and the global elite. So, why are we surprised when we are let down and things don't change much, if at all. We have to build a society based on liberty, personal sovereignty and freewill; not guided by bloated political systems that exploit people and resources. Theft is the ultimate danger to freedom; which is the biggest threat to this country. The Declaration of Independence talks of " We the People ", but at the moment it feels more like we are " The WEE People ".
     
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    Here's more:

    http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/06/...eral-extremism-experts-vice?hl=1&noRedirect=1

    Even Liberals Are Worried About Liberal Extremism

    Jun 18, 2017 // 1:43pm
    As seen on Fox & Friends
    Experts on extremism are increasingly shifting their focus from right-wing extremism to what they see as a rise of violence on the left, according to a new report.

    "The past few months have seen enough of a rise in politically motivated violence from the far left that monitors of right-wing extremism have begun shifting their focus, and sounding the alarm," a report on Vice.com said.

    Liberal violence has seen an uptick since President Trump was elected.

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    The subject of left-wing violence reared its head last week after a Bernie Sanders supporter opened fire on congressional Republicans playing baseball last Wednesday, injuring five including House Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R-La.).

    At UC Berkeley earlier this year, protesters started fires, attacked crowds of people, and smashed property.

    Left-wing extremism is nothing new, the Vice.com report admitted, citing the Black Panthers and Weather Underground.

    “What we’re seeing is the democratization of extremism and the tactics of radicalism," said Brian Levin, former New York City police officer and director of California State University's Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism. Levin added that his warnings about the rising tensions have been dismissed in the past.


    http://deadline.com/2017/06/real-ti...n-kelly-malcolm-nance-alex-marlow-1202114802/
    ‘Real Time’: Bill Maher Decries Trump-esque ‘Julius Caesar’, Defends Megyn Kelly & Referees An Angry ‘Overtime’
    by Greg Evans
    June 16, 2017 9:00pm
    Update With New Video In some odd conversational and attitudinal twists, Bill Maher sided with Megyn Kelly in the same hour he criticized New York’s Public Theater production that features a Trump-like Julius Caesar.

    RelatedBill Maher Apologizes Again For N-Word; Ice Cube Says Slur "Like A Knife"
    And that was all before one guest demanded an apology from another for allegedly inspiring a campaign of death threats.

    In his top-of-show interview with Breitbart News editor Alex Marlow, Maher said that freedom of speech sometimes should take a “pause,” and that “I don’t think they should have Trump playing Julius Caesar getting stabbed, and I hate Trump.”

    Maher and Marlow were discussing “corporate” attacks on freedom of speech in the wake of Delta Airlines and Bank of America pulling funding from the Shakespeare in the Park Julius Caesar production.

    “If Obama was playing Julius Caesar and he got stabbed, I think liberals would be angry about that,” Maher said. (Maher should have done some research here: In fact, there certainly have been productions of Julius Caesar that went the Obama route, and whatever anger or discomfort liberals did or didn’t feel did not interfere with the shows or their funding. Contemporaneous stand-ins for Caesar are nearly as old as the 417-year-old play itself.)

    Maher was more politically incorrect with regard to Kelly, though, whose upcoming interview with Infowars’ conspiracy-monger Alex Jones has taken lots of heat. Maher defended Kelly’s interview, saying “We have to learn how to deal with these people.”

    “The Huffington Post wouldn’t even cover Donald Trump, and look how well that turned out,” Maher said.

    Political scientist Ian Bremmer disagreed, at one point making a comparison between giving Jones a national network platform to doing the same for alt-right mascot Pepe the Frog.

    But temperatures really soared during the web-only Overtime segment (watch it above) when guest Malcolm Nance, the Retired U.S. Navy officer turned bestselling counter-terrorism expert, demanded a public apology from the Breitbart editor over what Nance said was a Breitbart article that falsely accused him of favoring an attack on Trump Tower.

    “I got 31 death threats and that came from your website,” an angry Nance said. “You going to apologize to me? I’m sorry to say I spent decades hunting terrorists, so that’s fake as hell. Your followers threatened my family, my children, my wife…You can apologize to me now.”

    A defensive Marlow responded, “Are you really suggesting that Breitbart doesn’t get death threats?” He then offered to apologize if Nance would show him the article in question.

    And then Marlow called Nance “a hysterical person.”

    “That’s not hysterical,” said fellow guest and voice of calm reason Eddie Izzard. “That’s just him being angry at 31 death threats.”

    From there the conversation went to the appropriateness of using Hitler comparisons in arguments. Maher kinda-sorta defended it, Marlow accused Nance of calling a Trump Administration official “Goebbels,” and Nance denied the charge.

    “I called him Baby Goebbels.”

    Watch the entire Overtime segment above, and here is Maher’s less heated discussion with Marlow about, among other things, Julius Caesar:
     
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    Wasn't there a rush by the Left to blame 'conservative rhetoric' for the Gabby Giffords shooting?:

    https://thinkprogress.org/an-online...toric-for-virginia-mass-shooting-c85e80125b16

    Go to the profile of Aaron Rupar
    Aaron RuparFollow
    Journalist, ThinkProgress. Twitter: @atrupar. Email: arupar@americanprogress.org
    Jun 14
    An online rush to blame ‘liberal rhetoric’ for Virginia mass shooting
    “I can only hope that Democrats do turn down the rhetoric.”

    The baseball field that is the scene of a shooting in Alexandria on June 14 where House Majority Whip Steve Scalise (R-LA) was shot at a congressional baseball practice. CREDIT: AP Photo/Alex Brandon
    Early Wednesday morning, a gunman opened fire at a Republican congressional baseball team practice in Alexandria, Virginia, injuring at least five people.
    Thus far, authorities haven’t confirmed any details about the assailant or his motivations, though several news outlets including the Washington Post have reported his name is James Hodgkinson, 66, of Belleville, Illinois. Hodgkinson died from his injuries following the incident.
    Hodgkinson appears to have posted anti-Trump posts on his Facebook page and wrote letters to his local paper critical of Republican policies. Two House Republicans who were at the park for a practice ahead of Thursday night’s annual congressional baseball game say they believe Hodgkinson approached them and asked if the lawmakers on the field were Democrats or Republicans before opening fire.

    But even before Hodgkinson was identified as the shooter, a number of right-wing figures rushed to place collective blame on liberals and the media for the violence.


    It wasn’t just fringe figures like Walsh or Watson who did this. During a Fox News interview conducted before the shooter was identified, Rep. Rodney Davis (R-IL) traced the violence to “political rhetorical terrorism.”
    “This political rhetoric and political discourse that has led to hate, has led to gunfire,” Davis said. “I never thought I’d go to baseball practice for charity and have to dodge bullets. This has got to stop and it has got to stop today… We’ve got to ratchet down the rhetoric that we’ve seen, not only on social media, but in the media, in the 24-hour news cycle.”

    Rep. Chris Collins (R-NY) went a step further and explicitly pinned blame for the shooting on Democratic “rhetoric” during an interview with a Buffalo radio station.

    Collins, who was the first member of Congress to endorse Donald Trump during the presidential campaign, went on to suggest the violence was an understandable reaction to Democrats’ “outrageous” criticisms of Trump.
    “The rhetoric has been outrageous — the finger-pointing, just the tone and the angst and the anger directed at Donald Trump, his supporters,” he said. “Really, then, you know, some people react to things like that. They get angry as well. And then you fuel the fires.”
    Donald Trump Jr. linked the shooting with New York’s Public Theater’s controversial production of Shakespeare’s “Julius Caesar” — a play actually meant to illustrate the futility of political violence.

    There’s an obvious difference between opposing policies like Trump’s Muslim ban or a health care bill that will strip coverage for millions and advocating violence against Republicans. No prominent Democrats have done the latter, and many quickly condemned Hodgkinson’s actions.



    Trump avoided playing the blame game and offered measured comments about the shooting during an 11:30 a.m. briefing at the White House.
    “We are strongest when we are unified, and when we work together for the common good,” Trump said. “Please take a moment today to cherish those you love, and always remember those who serve and keep us safe.”
    While the link between Hodgkinson’s political views and the mass shooting it appears he perpetrated is tenuous at best, the Daily Beast reported he was arrested for domestic battery in 2006.

    Data has consistently shown a strong connection between acts of domestic violence and acts of mass violence.
    UPDATE (1:30 p.m.): Rep. Steve King (R-IA) is also blaming “the left” for the mass shooting.
    From the Washington Post:
    “America has been divided,” said Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa), who, in suit and tie, stopped by the crime scene to pray and was viscerally angry about his colleagues being attacked. “And the center of America is disappearing, and the violence is appearing in the streets, and it’s coming from the left.”
    When asked whether he thought the shooting was politically motivated, King said he did not know why the gunman did what he did, but said: “I’m really not that interested to tell you the truth. If he were on his way to the morgue, it wouldn’t make me sorry at all.”
    Kim Weaver, the Democratic nominee who planned to challenge King for his seat next year, dropped out of the race earlier this month, citing death threats.
    Rep. Steve King’s challenger drops out of the 2018 race, citing death threats

    Weaver says her “personal safety has increasingly become a concern.”
    thinkprogress.org
    “Beginning during my 2016 campaign, I have received very alarming acts of intimidation, including death threats,” Weaver wrote in a Facebook post. “While some may say enduring threats are just a part of running for office, my personal safety has increasingly become a concern.”
    King blamed Democrats for Weaver’s choice to drop out of the race and claimed the threats she cited were fabricated.
     
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    The Congressional Democrats, for the most part, are nitwits. Doesn't it concern you that Donald Trump is so anxious to destroy the Congressional Republicans, which will only serve to make the Democrats more powerful?
     
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    No, we don't. Because most of us on here see the same things he did, and we aren't shooting Congressmen.
     
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    Well speak for yourself and doesnt mean it was not his motivation, he was quite explicit about it.
     
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    I dont agree with your premise.
     
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    Speak for myself that normal people aren't out trying to assassinate Republicans? Okay. Let me know about all of these daily assassination attempts. So far I've only seen one.
     
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    aren't all terrorists lunatics? Anyone who kills innocent people for a political or religious doctrine falls into the lunatic bin in my opinion. This one just happened to be a lunatic bought into the DNC's propaganda
     
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    Good point. The left seems to see civilization and it's benefits as a given, as if it's a natural default. In fact, there is a lot of cultural and social cohesion required, and they think they can ignore that.
     
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    Your "alt-righter" is a Bernie-bro.
     
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    don't care.

    He also has a penis so I guess all men are responsible.

    He is from Illinois so that means all people from Noisily are responsible.

    He has a mustache ... et cetera
     
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    You don't care that he's a Bernie bro but you did care when you thought he was "alt right."

    Heh, I get it.
     
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    Of course you can't find when I said such as thing because I never had.

    So you are using alternative facts...

    Heh.
     
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    Scroll up to message 1027. It has your quote right there!
     
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    Here"s more:

    http://www.theroot.com/james-hodgki...tter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2017-06-16

    James Hodgkinson Proves White Men Are Bulletproof

    Michael Harriot
    Thursday 1:24pmFiled to: NEWS
    St. Clair County, Ill., Sheriff’s Department
    Today you will probably see one of the many thousands of articles positing the reasons a man took a rifle and opened fire at a congressional baseball practice in Arlington, Va. Every cable news pundit will explain how this newly toxic political environment fomented the hate and rage that led to James T. Hodgkinson’s brutal attack.

    In every one of these instances, writers, reporters and talking heads will try their best to conjure up amateur and qualified psychological analyses of what triggered Hodgkinson. Maybe he was a victim of the amped-up war between Democrats and Republicans. Perhaps President Donald Trump’s numerous misdeeds so frustrated Hodgkinson that he just snapped.

    This is indicative of the benefit of the doubt that the media and the public extend to all white men.

    Unlike in the case of Pulse nightclub shooter Omar Mateen, reporters aren’t wondering when Hodgkinson was radicalized. I dare you to find an article looking into his religion. Even people in the street interviews have refrained from offhandedly calling Hodgkinson a thug.

    Despite the fact that he was living a secret life in the same manner as the 9/11 terrorists—off the grid, scouting his targets from a van—no one has referred to Hodginkson as a terrorist. You could scour the newspapers all day and you wouldn’t find a mention of the Islamic State group, or ISIS, in the first paragraphs of stories about the Arlington shooting. There isn’t anyone—Democrat or Republican—wondering why Hodgkinson hasn’t been referred to as a “radical extremist.”

    Here are a few passages from today’s stories:

    “I didn’t really talk to him too much,” said neighbor Aaron Meurer. “He was a Democrat, and I was a Republican, so we didn’t have too much to talk about.”

    In one sentence, Meurer offers up a snapshot of American partisanship: For many Americans, their political affiliation is a central component of their identity. Meurer’s statement suggests that he and Hodgkinson saw themselves as partisans first and neighbors second.

    This isn’t to pick on Meurer—this sort of worldview is widespread and becoming more common in the United States.

    —Christopher Ingraham, the Washington Post
    James T. Hodgkinson, the man identified as shooting a Republican member of congress and four others on Wednesday morning, was a small business owner in Illinois who defined himself publicly by his firm support of Bernie Sanders’ progressive politics—and his hatred of conservatives and President Donald Trump.

    This is based on CNN’s review of Hodgkinson’s Facebook profiles, public records, and three years of impassioned letters to his local newspaper [...]

    “He didn’t seem scary,” George Manson said, “he just seemed out of it.”

    —Jose Pagliery, CNN
    The 66-year-old Illinois man who opened fire on a group of Republican lawmakers and their aides at a Northern Virginia baseball diamond was a living portrait of simmering anger and sometimes strange behavior, neighbors and family members say.

    —Aamer Madhan, USA Today
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    Hodgkinson's friend: 'I just want to let people know that he wasn't evil'

    Dale Walsh grew up with James Hodgkinson and was taken by surprise when he found out his friend had …

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    Notice that none of these articles dismisses Hodginkson as “hating our freedoms.” Even though he committed one of the most un-American acts a human being can commit, he isn’t being cast as a traitor or even part of the growing movement of radicals who commit acts of violence because of their ideology.

    Let’s be clear: James T. Hodgkinson is a zealot who was radicalized online. James T. Hodgkinson tried to kill people because of his hateful ideology. James T. Hodgkinson is a violent radical extremist who carried out a well-planned terrorist plot against innocent Americans.

    One of the greatest advantages of being white in America (besides walking, driving and living anywhere you want without the threat of being stopped, harassed, cast out or noticed because you don’t belong) is that whiteness gets to exist in the singular tense. Whenever a white man commits an act of terror—and make no mistake, that is what this is—he gets to be “troubled” or a “victim of the political atmosphere.”

    Being white means you don’t have to automatically bear the weight of a skin color, a religion or an ethnicity. White people aren’t automatically assumed to be gangbangers, hood *****s or jihadists. They always get the benefit of the doubt; therefore, when white people do something heinous, the world begins a frantic, desperate search for a valid explanation of their actions.

    Black people? Not so much.

    That’s why it’s believable that 17-year old Trayvon Martin would jump on someone who weighed 50 pounds more than he did and was carrying a gun. It’s why no one finds it odd that Michael Brown just willy-nilly decided to reach inside a squad car and grab a police officer’s gun. It’s why they can watch unarmed Terence Crutcher walking away from Police Officer Betty Shelby as she opens fire on his back and still believe that she feared for her life.

    When whiteness shoots up a school, it must have been the violent video games. When whiteness opens fire in a movie theater, it must mean the person was off his medication. When whiteness goes ballistic on a college campus, they will discover how many days since the shooter saw his therapist, because it must be something that causes whiteness to explode.

    It must be the cable news. It must be “affluenza.” It must be trouble at home. It must be political rhetoric. It must be gun laws. It must be the National Rifle Association. It must be the mental-health system. It must be a lack of attention. It must be the divorce. It must be his childhood. It must be bullying. Because whiteness is logical. Whiteness is never evil. Whiteness is never just plain crazy. Whiteness is bulletproof.

    It must be nice.
    Michael Harriot@michaelharriot
    Michael Harriot is a staff writer at The Root, host of "The Black One" podcast and editor-in-chief of the daily digital magazine NegusWhoRead.
     
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    Here's more:

    https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=9334

    Prof calls whites 'inhuman *******s,' says 'let them die'
    Anthony Gockowski
    Investigative Reporter
    @AGockowski
    on Jun 20, 2017 at 11:55 AM EDT
    Trinity College Professor Johnny Eric Williams appeared to endorse the idea that first responders to last week’s congressional shooting should have let the victims "****ing die” because they are white.
    After sharing a post to an article unambiguously titled, "Let Them ****ing Die," Williams labelled white people "inhuman *******s" and declared it time to "end this now."

    A professor at Connecticut's Trinity College seemingly endorsed the idea that first responders to last week’s congressional shooting should have let the victims "****ing die” because they are white.

    “It is past time for the racially oppressed to do what people who believe themselves to be ‘white’ will not do, put end to the vectors of their destructive mythology of whiteness and their white supremacy system. #LetThemFuckingDie,” Trinity College Professor Johnny Eric Williams wrote in a June 18 Facebook post.

    "The time is now to confront these inhuman *******s and end this now." Tweet This

    Two days prior, Williams had shared a Medium article titled “Let Them ****ing Die” in which the anonymous author suggests that “bigots,” such as those numbered among the victims of the congressional shooting, should be left for dead.

    “What does it mean, in general, when victims of bigotry save the lives of bigots?” the author begins by asking, later saying that his black peers “imagine...that by becoming a shining example of this ‘righteous’ behavior, we might, somehow, guide these cannibals into becoming upright beings capable of following the very rules they enforce upon us.”

    The author goes on to offer a litany of life-ending situations the aforementioned “bigots” could find themselves in, advising his readers to “do nothing” in the way of helping.

    “If you see them drowning. If you see them in a burning building. If they are bleeding out in an emergency room. If the ground is crumbling beneath them. If they are in a park and they turn their weapons on each other: do nothing,” the article instructs readers.

    “Least of all put your life on the line for theirs, and do not dare think doing so, putting your life on the line for theirs, gives you reason to feel celestial. Save the life of those that would kill you is the opposite of virtuous. Let. Them. ****ing. Die. And smile a bit when you do,” the author concludes, in a post that was later shared by Williams.



    Williams himself later suggested he is “fed the **** up with self-identified ‘white’s’ daily violence directed at immigrants, Muslims, and sexual and racially oppressed people," saying, “the time is now to confront these inhuman *******s and end this now.”



    “It is patently clear we black folks in U.S. have no rights that the white supremacy governing apparatus is willing to protect,” he later posted on his Facebook.



    Campus Reform reached out to Williams for comment on the matter, but did not receive a response in time for publication.

    Follow the author of this article on Twitter: @AGockowski
     
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    Do liberals ever try to demonize conservatives:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...789e4b0a3a837bcfe8e?ncid=edlinkushpmg00000313

    COMEDY 06/22/2017 05:07 am ET
    Sam Bee Shuts Down Conservatives’ Attempts To Demonize Liberals
    Better watch out for the “unhinged left.”
    By Ron Dicker

    “Full Frontal” host Samantha Bee wishes summer could be carefree, but she says conservatives’ efforts to demonize liberals are making it difficult.

    Case in point: A PAC ad supporting Republican Karen Handel in her ultimately victorious Georgia congressional campaign against Democrat Jon Ossoff exploited last week’s shooting at GOP Congress members during a baseball practice. The incident left Rep. Steve Scalise (R-La.) with serious injuries.

    The commercial warned that the “unhinged left is endorsing and applauding shooting Republicans” and they’re the same ones backing Ossoff.

    Bee had enough of that noise.

    “Oh! That must be why he lost. The cheering-last-week’s-shooting demographic is basically zero,” she said on her show Wednesday. “The unhinged left is even less powerful than the hinged left, which is saying a lot.”

    Bee didn’t stop there. She explained how conservatives are also framing art as a bogeyman.

    Watch her full monologue above.
     

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