Should a woman be forced to give birth against her will?

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Should a woman be forced to give birth against her will?

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  2. No

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  1. Turin

    Turin Well-Known Member

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    This question is mostly for the pro life people obviously.


    If a women is


    raped.
    birth control fails
    Just makes a mistake
    Whatever the reason. Doesnt really matter. She does NOT want to have a baby.


    Should a woman be forced to give birth against her will?
     
  2. Crawdadr

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    Yes

    If a women gets raped she cannot three months later walk up upon her rapist and shoot them in the head, it would be premeditated murder, just as killing your unwanted child in the womb is premeditated murder. (oh boy this response should get some heat.)
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    if she didn't have sex against will she gave consent to the consequences of having sex there for it is not pregnancy against her will
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    shouldn't she be forced to marry the guy, have kids and live happily ever after - sadly some believe this

    http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy 22:28-29&version=NIV


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  5. Turin

    Turin Well-Known Member

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    Having sex does not = consent to give birth.


    So I will just put you in the "yes, I would force her to give birth against her will" camp.
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    when you give consent to an action you are given consent to the consequences that can follow said action if you are informed of those consequences

    if I ask to borrow your car to go to a friends house and I inform you that the friend lives on a dirt road. so if it rains the car will get muddy and you say ok and let me borrow your car. by doing so you are also giving consent for the car to get muddy, because you was informed of the consequence
     
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    Channe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think all vasectomies and tube ties should be encouraged and tax payer funded - the less unplanned babies born to unfit parents, the better.
     
  8. Turin

    Turin Well-Known Member

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    No. I could add the stipulation that you wash the car before returning it now couldnt i?


    What a terrible analogy. Because just like child birth, there is a way to drive down a dirt road, get the car muddy, and yet still avoid the consequences. In your example, all it takes is a car wash. Problem solved to the satisfaction of both parties.
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the premise of the analogy wasn't about the reversal of the consequence it was to show you that when you give consent your also given consent to the informed consequences

    OK I will take your car washing situation and apply it to pregnancy so your saying a man can say if I have sex with you and you get pregnant you have to get an abortion?
     
  10. Turin

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    That would be hard to do. I am male.

    But I think what your asking is, why should the women have all the control basically? Is that it? Why should only SHE get to decide? Why shouldnt the man have any choice in the matter?



    Again. IT boils down to my main question.


    Should a women be forced to give birth against her will? ITs a simple yes or no question.
     
  11. Crawdadr

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    For those of you that are pro life that have voted and or answered this thread. How can you justify not voting yes? Is it a child and should some one be able to kill that child just because of the circumstance of the child's conception? If so perhaps you should review why you are pro life. Because make no mistake if it was the law of the land women would be forced to carry a child against their will some where.
     
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    What a load of crap. after 6 months she is legally obligated to have that child no matter how much she might not want to. You are literally also saying that a guy that gets a girl pregnant is not legally obligated to pay child support because "he wasn't planning on having kids". I swear some people's grasp of basic logic is woefully inadequate.
     
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    In just about every country I know of this is the case. Do you know of many countries where a woman is allowed to choose an abortion one week before she is due to deliver her baby?
     
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    Well. after 6 monthsd she would have made a choice already.

    You are reffering to late term abortion which makes up like, .1% of all abortions in this country. And almost ALL of them are done for medical necessity.
     
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    Well. after 6 monthsd she would have made a choice already.

    You are reffering to late term abortion which makes up like, .1% of all abortions in this country. And almost ALL of them are done for medical necessity.
     
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    Those who insist upon subjugating a woman by imposing bureaucratic control over her womb from the instant of conception need to overcome their maximal statist dogmatism and summon a modicum of common sense.

    Once a viable person has developed during the gestative process, she has incurred the responsibility of carrying it to term; before that stage, it's entirely her personal business into which no one should insinuate a government, regardless of whether that government were to demand an abortion or proscribe it.
     
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    What you gotta remember is that the right's concept of personal freedom is a mile wide and half an inch deep.
     
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    This may come as news to you, but people sometimes change their mind.
    So do you believe that a woman who one week before she's due decides to change her mind about having the baby should be forced to have the baby even if it is against her will? Or do you believe she should have the "freedom to choose"?
     
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    we can argue as much as long that is most appropriate solution in this situation, when solved the fate of the future man (baby, which should see the light)
    But do not forget that the most important in this debate is that can this woman be a good mother (simply be mother)
    If she did not want this child, so what will happen with fate baby later? Will he be happy? Will he feel the care of themselves and maternal love and warmth?
    That's what is important when deciding on maintenance of pregnancy
     
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    Yes, if that is how you want to put it. And many of our current laws "force a woman to give birth" because a baby is considered a baby, a human being, a human life at a certain point of gestation and is given some rights to life that trump a woman's wish to "not be forced to give birth". "Forced to give birth" isn't such a bad thing compared to sticking tools in a woman, scraping her uterous and following up with a vacuum....
     
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    eventually? if she do won't herself raise baby, then she can to give him in the foster family.
    This will be most a better option, than the destruction
     
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    Yes. Thats how I want to put it. Am I somehow incorrect?

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    What if she simply does not want to go through the process of birthing a child? Period? What then?
     
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    Not to mention having to carry the baby of a rapist until birth, risk the possible health risks and make sure the expense of having a baby.
     
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    afraid, that she will have an abortion in secret
    you thereby force her to use questionable services and take risk her health
     
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    Looks like at least two people on this board are completely inhuman.
     

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