Should smart guns be illegal?

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  1. Joe knows

    Joe knows Well-Known Member

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    I posted a video of a comedy show that makes the point somewhat softly anyway. Usually to be able to shoot like these guns it takes years if training and lots of dollars in bullets. Some say they are way too accurate and pose a terrorist type threat.
     
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    This one is password protected. It also can be fired as a normal rifle without the password but you will find this very hard to shoot without being able to use the scope and the only successful shot that could be accomplished would be a point blank range. So it in a way does know it’s owner.
     
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    they will only get better with time... that is the way technology works

    course these bugs and viruses could be deadly
     
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  4. Tigger2

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    A revolver and a half. Its huge, you probably need a tripod to fire it. ;)
    Good point. Nonetheless a cool piece of tech.
     
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    Excellent idea. If intelligent guns start to get introduced and normal guns start to get scrapped, then eventually the number of guns in the hands of criminals will fall.
     
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    Well this is certainly an interesting developement. I'm pretty sure when Biden talks about 'smart guns', hes refering to guns that require some type of registered owner ID input to be able to fire. And no, this should not be illegal, and nor should it ever be mandatory. The technology right now is unreliable, prone to all sorts of bugs and malfunctions. But even once those are ironed out, they will still be extremely easy to bypass. A firearm is fundamentally an extremely simple machine, and there is no way make an electronic component that cannot be easily bypassed or replaced with a 'dumb' version. Smart guns may help prevent someone from shooting with a gun immediately after they steel it, but they will never prevent someone from being able to shoot it after they steel it, take it home, take it apart and F with a bit. The real life benefits of smart guns exist, but they will statistically be very small as shootings where some has just taken a gun from someone else represent a very tiny fraction of all shootings, thus smart guns can only prevent a very tiny fraction of shootings.

    As far as the type of 'smart gun' in the OP- I would call that more of a 'smart scope.' It appears to me the firearm is standard (not electronic), but has been fitted with a sighting system that duplicates a sort of 'heads up display' that automates many of the calculations required in high precision long distance shooting. No reason to ban this either (with the possible exception of preventing yet another of our human skills being replaced by robots... mostly kidding) as this technology is readily available in many other forms and not difficult to attach to a rifle rail mount system. Additionally, the results this technology can achieve can be achieved alternatively with occassional practice. And thirdly, sniping is another very tiny representation of criminal violence, Overall, trying to ban this would be very easy to DIY and would not net a meaningful decrease in violent crime, so it would overall be an excellent example of bad law- unenforcible, expensive and ineffective.
     
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    All drugs too, right?
     
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    You must be another Democrat....
     
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    Why would normal guns start to get scrapped?
     
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    It would have to be a deliberate policy. When you bought the new latest fancy fire arm, the government would buy your old weapon and scrap it.
    When a criminal was arrested their old un would be destroyed. As time went on old guns would get harder and harder to get hold of.
    Never impossible, but harder.
     
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    This is no reason not to introduce smart guns, but a reason to better develop them. Do tell me what is their downside, the one that means even saving a few lives is not worth doing.
     
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    In violation of the constitution.
     
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    You must've missed the part where I said "this should not be illegal" ...not surprising since you edited it out. Maybe go back and re-read what I said? Because here's a hint- I never said they should 'not be introduced' nor did I say 'they're not worth developing.' I simply said they should never be mandated. Is that the part you have a problem with, or did you simply misread?
     
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    No. Actually I misread you. Apologies.
     
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    I don't think so.
     
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    The 2nd Amendment protects the right to own and use all "bearable arms" - those in common use for traditionally lawful purposes.
    The government cannot force you to give up the guns you legally own - and so, while it can offer to buy your existing guns when you buy a smart gun, it cannot force you to sell.
     
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    :beer:
     
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    Why
    Why would I sell my gun to the government when I bought a new one?
     
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    I did not intend them to force you, just offer to buy them off you when you upgrade.
    And the state removes weapons from people all the time.
     
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    That would make firearm manufacturing substantially more profitable, unless demand for firearms were somehow driven way down.
     
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    I have no problem with their development, but considering how many times my phone tries to read my thumbprint to unlock, or the problems with wireless connectivity and firmware, I wouldn't buy one. I bet the Secret Service doesn't buy them either.
     
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    To remove the more dangerous old guns from the market and reduce crime.
     
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    Law abiding citizens?
     
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    If I still own it, it's not being used for crime.
     
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    How so?
     

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