Should women who get abortion be eligible for the draft?

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  1. ToughTalk

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    Being patriotic wasn't what was in question. And we were talking about transwomen whom you called men
     
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    Yes - patriotism was ignored, which I find ridiculous.

    You would need to find justification for considering patriotism as being absent in trans individuals.

    If you want to investigate why more women don't volunteer, I might suggest looking to see if it has anything to do with the DoD's pathetic record of addressing sexual violence against US troops.
     
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    then give the man the same choice then, see how that works, equal

    one has to register for the draft, both do
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Again, a little bit less of an issue with a woman who has no problem with getting an abortion.

    Wouldn't you agree?

    Women who say no to abortions have potentially more to lose from joining the service than women who regard them as "just a little normal medical procedure".
     
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  5. ToughTalk

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    Patriotism doesn't mean fighting for the nation specifically though.

    Now as far as fighters...I mean...women and transmen are not going to be able to compete against CIS men physically.

    You could say then that not all roles in the military involve combat and you would be correct however you could be positioned at a forward station and may have to see combat even if you are a medic or a mechanic. In which case a man with equal training will fair better then any woman or transwomen who's dumbing themselves down physically with drugs.
     
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    Yes, women can do their patriotic duties in other ways...

    The question is, are they doing them?
     
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  8. WillReadmore

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    Are you SERIOUSLY proposing that a woman who might be willing to have an abortion probably doesn't really care if she is RAPED???

    SERIOUSLY?
     
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    You have a major misconception of women.
     
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    Rape accounts for less than 1 percent of all abortions. It's the other 90+ percent of abortions that are due to the baby being an inconvenience that I take strong issue with. Abortion is a serious and drastic action which ends up killing a life in the process. It should not be something to be treated as careless and flippant as it is now.

    But thanks for bringing up rape. lol. The only crime where in order to make it right we must sacrifice an unborn child to the woke gods.
     
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    Maybe the UFC also has a misconception with women? Boxing? Tennis? Basically any physical competition? They all seem to have a misconception as to the genetic physical ability of women?
     
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    We were speaking of the abuse in the military.

    She seemed to think that a woman wouldn't care about rape as long as she could get an abortion!!!

    A zygote or embryo is NOT A CHILD - obviously.
     
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    Now you are just trying to justify excluding women.

    If you want to start a thread on how to go about justifying the exclusion of women, go for it.
     
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    I'm not excluding women just stating a fact. In a life and death struggle or combat, women are biologically at a disadvantage.

    What ya gonna do?
     
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    While in the case of abortion, even when we are as small as a zygote we are still human and alive. But nobody gets abortions within the first 4 days of being pregnant so why even bring that up?
     
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    So you think all women should be "limited" in rights because some women are smaller than some men?

    Your denigration of all the female soldiers (heroes) who have fought IN BATTLE and served their country is noted.

    BTW, combat isn't hand to hand too much...they use guns now...:)
     
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    Anything physical and both a female or trans female is at a disadvantage. Running. Jumping. Lifting. Fighting hand to hand (which still happens). All at a disadvantage. And while you can find aspects of combat that a woman can perform equally. In most aspects they are at a disadvantage.

    That's just nature.

    Take your most successful female MMA fighter and she's getting dunked on by an male in the sport who has equal training.

    The most successful female tennis player got smoked by a male tennis player who I think wasn't even top 100 in the world and he was drinking at the time.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.es...layer-at-australian-open-wta-tennis-news/amp/

    When we are talking life and death and war. I don't really care much about representation.
     
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    That's only an averages kind of thing. Plus, it overemphasizes the nature of war today.

    If you want to step in the ring with Laila Ali, don't go whining to me afterwards.
     
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    Good point.

    It's the woman's body. All others get to walk it off.
     
  20. ToughTalk

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    If I had equal time training? Id smoke her.

    War is not all drones or sniper rifles. Depending on the terrain and situation it gets pretty personal.
     
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    Equal rights? Absolutely.
     
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    Which doesn't make them as good at killing men as men. Obviously.
     
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    I don't know what this means, clarify.
     
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    Defend America in general, or specifically fight as a combat soldier, potentially having to engage in a hand to hand combat fight with a male enemy combatant?
     
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    I guess I was wrong about you being a leftist.
     

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