When I look at the incident there's a lot that doesn't make sense. Here's a guy at 64 years without a stated lot of shooting experience, no military or LEO experience, no record of any training who somehow manages to kill 59 people and wound several hundred others. He does this in 9minutes with a measured distance of 1710 feet from the room to the stage. (some sources say 1100+ feet. I don't know if this is the true distance according the angle but lets give it a 27 degree angle and that measures out the 534 yards. Somehow this guy did this with a series of bump fire weapons. But lets look at a 7.62 GPMG designed for this. Without an optical sight you'll get a 50% hit rate at 600 yards with a 6 to 9 round burst. OK, initially the victims were packed together but that's not going to last for long. Lets give this guy 50 dead and 250 hit and wounded. Lets give him a 1 hit in 10 rounds accuracy. That means this guy had to have fired MORE than 300 rounds per minutes to put 3000 rounds downrange. The math is not adding up.
We do t know how many were hit by gunfire, only the total due to gunfire and trampling during a stampede.
The numbers seem plausible, if he was untrained he may not have been aiming at any individual targets and instead concentrating on maintaining a firing zone within the confines set by the crowd. Additionally we have no idea how many gunshot wounds there even were, it may not have taken many, I would imagine the majority of injuries were caused by things other than bullets...
Actually the numbers don't add up. If 59 were killed then the probability is a 1 fatality to 5 wounded ratio. If he wasn't aiming at individual targets then his hit probability goes down.
Wrong, you'll miss a lot. Ever go waterfowl hunting? You'll miss every time if you aim at the group. Machine guns really work in 2 roles. Suppression fire or troops in the open. The effectiveness of a trained man with a GPMG has been well worked out for years.
Agreed. Tightly packed crowd and an idiot spraying lead into the air for several minutes. Watching some the videos, you can tell when some people were hit because of the reaction those around them made to get away. Meanwhile, 30 feet away people are just standing there. I expect most of the dead were hit in the first few minutes and, if they didn't die right away, simply bled out.
He frequented gun ranges .. and spraying bullets into a dense crowd from above when that crowd had NO cover doesn't take any shooting skill. He killed 59 people and injured 500. He was shooting ducks in a barrel.
It's really hard to hit anything with a bump fire beyond 25 yards. It's mainly an ammo dump. Mos of the bodies aren't in clumps. This guy was doing better than a trained guy with a purpose built GPMG with an AG changing his barrels and feeding him ammo. Wont' wash.
Spray and pray works for a tightly packed group. Not so much against troops spread across a ridge. I'm a Marine from the days of "one shot, one kill"....mainly because Navy kept our supply of ammo short! Still, shooting into a tightly packed crowd is ridiculously easy even from 1200-1400 feet away.
And you know this just how? Beyond 500 rpm cyclic its really hard to sweep anything without a tripod mounted weapon. Go above 600 and any form of aimed fire become area fire.
If you're aiming at something, I agree 100%, but as others noted, he was just putting a lot of lead in the air over a tightly packed crowd. Have you ever been to such a outdoor concert?
Let's cut to the chase here. What are you trying to say? There was a second shooter? It's a conspiracy by the MSM? That Muslims were in the crowd shooting people with handguns?
Then he'd get most of the kills within the first minute with bodies in clumps. Didn't happen that way. He's have to fire over 300 rounds a minute for 9 to 10 minutes. A squad is not going to carry that much ammo for a GPMG.
