Statehood for Australia's Aboriginees?

Yep ,do you recognise the citizen rights of the aboriginal peoples of Australia ,or do you have the Fascist apartheid position that they constitute some other identity .

Other then Australian ,see Australia still denies them the recognition as a people under the thing we call the Constitution .They do not comprise a Nation ,in themselves but are of the Country therefore the Nation.

Now what you want is the continuation of the situation that they are in now ,as 3rd class citizens in the land of their birth .

BTW, I live in Sydney Australia ,so don't try the crap that they are some how been given equality ,go on dare you?!

 

For your education ,Race as a concept to describe any human is well ,RACIST,humanity is a SPECIES ,science says, so repeat after me ,Ignorant racists use race as definition ,Intelligent Scientific based humans use Species .

The Aboriginal peoples .yes Plural, Do not constitute a nation in themselves. Tribal existence is not Nation ,never was and never can be .

BTW, was it the fault of the Aboriginal peoples of Victoria ,that they were shot on sight as vermin in the 19th and early 20th Century ?

Was It the fault of the Tribal peoples of Tasmania that saw the genocide ,take place ?
Is it the fault of the Aboriginal peoples of Australia ,that you were taught crap at school?

 

Community this Community that ,if you want to use the Politically correct crap of the USA 's liberal Middle class dross think ,go and live their .Community , gay community ,Lebanese community ,Greek ,Muslim ,Catholic ,COMMUNITIES ,we call this Sectarian Reaction in other words the Community of stupidity ,communalism .
Class reality based on something called ECONOMICS ,not middle class stupidity ,reconises NO Community ,every second word that vomits out of the Mouths of every Capitalist Politican of any stripe ,Community this Community of Middle class stupidity ,that .

How many communities do you want ???

 

That is a question you need to ask Aborigines who established independent communities away from Australians. Australians don’t see the need or benefit of having communities within a society, so take that issue up with Aboriginal people, and others who come to Australia wanting their independent communities within our society.

 

Maybe the Question that the Australian people who may be of aboriginal decent,would like to be recognised ,is in their constitution as putrid as the English imposed thing is.

The Australians that were denied Citizen recognition ,let alone rights ,as nominal as they are in Australia, in the Nation of their Birth!

I as the Australian Working Class, wait a sec Cobber ,I need to hav a look ,yep ,its me ,Australian Worker.

Sees it as ,a Little UNFAIR to say the lest ,if NOT genocide in its Apartheid Intent,even the Apartheid reconised the "Native Peoples " ,of "White Australia Policy" that could not be said. to this day unrecognised ,which Racism IS,the Australian middle class Hits far above its weight ,or more accurately,the ALP ,Liberal Nat Type of "people ".And spin Doctors of course ,for the, thought Farts that they are.

Insult to injury and Middle class Australia's sensibilities still Untouched, by the plight of Australians in Australia.

How does Australasian's in Australia Sound?

Australasian Workers Government.no national borders to the free movement of trade and people's, taking Papua- New Guinea, Indonesia ,New Zealand ,the Pacific Nations ,Fiji, New Caledonia ect. integrating into Asia. Thru Sri-Lanka and China .Oh but I digress ,Yes the treatment of Australians in Australia is disgusting as all CLASS based Systems Are.

BTW ,I am for 100% Land rights ,in a Workers Government Equality of ll people's of the nation will be Respected ,with the Aboriginal people's Claim to be custodians of this LAND ,the One under your feet ,LAND ,RESPECTED and Constitutionally ENSHRINED!

It will be in any Constitution as part of the Workers Government Pre-Amble.
Full citizen rights to all Australian citizens ,regardless of colour of skin ,Religion ,Sexuality, Political opinion, Creed [Even Capitalists ]Class,Or lack of religion as well ,Blasphemy must be Allowed.

Australia as capitalist imperialist Can never achieve Equality of the People ,only the Working Class Can .

 

How old are you?

 

I answered your question. I proved to you that we didn't want independent commuities, but the Aboriginal people wanted them. What relevance does this rant have to do with the question your asked, and the answer I provided?

 

The facts speak for themselves. Some Australian Aborigines wanted to live in outback communities away form white Australians. Now they have mucked it all up for themselves, they are trying to blame us and expect our financial help.

 

I find it a bit arrogant when some say they know what the oppressed want ,Firstly ,no-one wants to have their children Stolen generation after generation,or to be shot for Hunting on farm land for not recognising fence boundaries.
Or run off into shanty towns ,and feed religion and alcohol by the Middle class do gooder types. Paid in sugar and flour ,not worth Wages .Wow we are at 1960's Australia.

The baby stealing went thru to the 80's.

Please refrain from saying you understand anything on this question as you are demonstrating ,callous indifference .Bordering on White Australian Racism.

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Who is this "us " you refer to?

Why are Australians by birth a "them"?

Please do not associate this Australian Working Class Tradesman ,with the racist Middle class filth of Australia ,the SOURCE of racism the Middle class .

 

The biggest mistake being made with the Australian Aboriginal people is not treating them like adult human beings, who have to be prepared to take the consequences for their own actions and behaviour.

Aboriginals are being treated like spoilt children given money and gifts every time they make mistakes or misbehave.

Maybe we need “super nanny” to show us the way.

 

Where did you go to school ,please stop butchering Australian English ,"Australian Aborigines",sets the Convention of sentence construction ,so it must if used in the same sentence of English, be......."Australian White". Not your sneaky lower case ,w," white Australia ns."

See how fair I am ,I could call you an advocate of the return to "white Australian Policy" Apartheid ,but Have I?

PS ,when did you decide to become a Racist ?

 

Have you spared a thought for the 250,000 white Australian children that were also part of this "stolen generation"?

 

I see you're not interested in facts; just throwing meaningless words around. Cheers

 

Facts what facts ,your racist ramblings does not a fact make ,you have proved nothing ,so its a fact as you see it ,could so Mr White Australia or is it Miss.No such thing as a white Australia ,You agree on that self evident fact don't you.

In your ignorance of what constitutes a "fact" ,and not your bumbling thought farts, you forgot that they exist independent of you. Fact,you are yet to present one ,racist rant ,you are not even good at that ,and that's a fact!

 

What is a white Australian ,?

And from your racist position ,what is a black Australian or a Pink one , or a whatever .

Well white Non-existent in reality Australian ,I asked you a question ?

 

55 and you ?

By your level of profound Ignorance and Racist views ,either 10 or 11, or 65-70.

Either uneducated youth ,or Reject from the 1960's.

 

The people that chose/choose to live in outback communities were/are usually born near there. In South Australia in the far north you can find people who were born in what were cattle stations before the land was given back (eg APY Lands). Because many didn't have surnames/family names they frequently took a name from the station or the station managers/lease owners. Being born there many chose to stay there, living in a city or even a larger town away from their birth area wouldn't be an option for many for various reasons. So it's not like a lot of folks up there (I'm in South Australia, our state's aboriginal lands are north and far west) were born in the southern part of the state and suddenly decided to go and live up in the APY Lands or the far west.

 

The Aboriginal people living in these remote communities are like irresponsible adults who refuse to grow-up and take responsibility for their own personal actions and behaviour. They refuse to take and accept advise from Government authorities, and when something goes wrong, they expect to constantly run back to the Governments and get financial help to bail them out of the messes they create. These communities were given new homes, schools, and medical clinics, and because these people trashed their homes, and didn't use the schools and medical clinics, they are now blaming Australians for the mess they created for themselves and their children. What the....

There comes a time, when you have to acknowledge that people have to be prepared to help themselves, before anyone can intervene and offer help, and I personally believe Aboriginal people living in these remote communities have reached that point in time. I don’t think its fair or reasonable to expect the tax payers of Australia to keep financially bailing out some Aboriginal people every time they make a mess of situations they create.

The tens of billions being wasted on supporting these outback communities, considering they are only inhabited by a small percentage of Aboriginal people, is staggering, and cannot be allowed to continue.

I have empathy for Governments in trying to negotiate with Aborigines, because they are not a unified Nation of people, and negotiating with hundreds of different tribes with different agendas would be a bloody nightmare. Not unified unless its about financial compensation or land rights that is, and everything else they make it a difficult as possible to negotiate.

Its not possible to negotiate successfully with so many independent Aboriginal tribes, and its time to shake hands and part company.

 

One of the past issues in those communities is paternalism. It's not just a word. It has an effect. It's ingrained. Self-determination is difficult but achievable and it's worthwhile striving for. I've been up to the APY Lands on a number of occasions and seen dysfunctional communities and highly functional communities. Obviously we need to know why some function and others don't.

 

I personally don’t see how it is logically possible to diplomatically negotiate a successful outcome with over 200 individual Aboriginal tribes within Australia who their own agendas.

I believe anyone would agree, its an impossible task to diplomatically expect one set of conditions and circumstances that help one group of Aboriginal people, would help another group, considering the apparent individual Aboriginal tribal differences, and the vast amount of tribes.

How is it logically possible to obtain a set of conditions and circumstances that will be acceptable and suitable for over 200 different Aboriginal tribes in one country?

Its an astronomical task that’s simply not obtainable; to create a set of practical guidelines that over 200 different tribes will agree on.

 

You cannot debate any facts with clowns! You notice that it throws a bit of information at the forum but has one angle and that is hate and vitriol! Not just this topic but anythink aussie! If the nincompoop isn't an aussie and not living in australia, then thank God!

 

CD won't tell you anything. We have determined he is not even an Aussie, but he won't divulge where he comes from. He loves asking questions,but won't answer any

 

Your statements just indicated that everyone aged between 10 - 11, and 65 - 70 is profoundly ignorant, and has racist views.

Any other chronological age bracket you would like to include as being ignorant and racist without knowing anything about them?

Waiting in delirious anticipation for your next intelligent comment.

 

Trades people are typically middle class these days. "Working class" is a shrinking group in Australia, and just as likely to be racist as anyone else including the upper middle class and the uber rich. Certainly "class" has nothing to do with how racist you are likely to be. The middle class is the "source" of everything in Australia because it is by far the biggest group, but even so it's not particularly more racist than any other large group of people anywhere in the world.

 

I don't know about you all, but I feel ashamed. The Beatles came to Australia the same year we declared them human