Stop the Boats Hypocrite

Himself once a refugee, Liberal candidate John Nguyen wants to stop the boats. Never mind he himself once set off in a fishing boat!!

Hypocrite? Yeah, I think so.

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Just because he went to a refugee camp in Malaysia via boat says nothing about Australia having to allow shiploads of economic refugees sponge off our welfare.

 

The problem is both parties are running with variations of the same policy

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Then we should be going after the people smugglers that are organising these boats

 

I think before you start throwing about such things as demonstrations of something similar to the policies, you should examine the points you raise to proclaim the hypocrisy. Firstly, he entered a boat to leave oppression to any point of safety. He did not leave the country and then generally pursue a destination of choice once he hit relative safety.

Secondly, are you suggesting he was not a refuge fleeing from persecution??? If this was not the case, why did the then government of the time accept him and his family as being such???

There is great distinction of what boats are being asked to stop. Your problem is that you assume that all boats are that the people are being persecuted from where they come. This is not true as most of the boats come from places that are considered to be transitional points and not from direct persecution. Due to this, both governments are being remiss in not attempting to address the problem with far better policy other than to keep the problem in the public eye for political gain
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Typical do-gooder hysteria we have come to expect.

The real facts: Mr. Nguyen went to a UNHCR refugee camp in Malaysia, and was accepted by the Australian government of the day as a refugee, and arrived in Australia by plane. He didn’t illegally pay people smugglers $8000 to illegally smuggle him into Australia by boat through the backdoor.

The real facts surrounding the current boat refugees. They don’t approach any UNHCH refugee camps for assistance or any Australian embassy in the 7 countries they pass through on their journeys from the Middle East to Indonesia. They then engage in criminal activity by hiring known criminal people smugglers to illegally smuggle them into Australia through the backdoor. They arrive by boat with no documentation or paperwork to support their identification.

Considering both scenarios, it doesn’t take a genius to figure out there is a major difference, and one individual came to Australia the right way, and others are attempting to come here the wrong way for economic reasons.

 

He once got on a fishing boat. No one stopped HIS boat or turned it around. Yet HE wants to stop the boats.

Let me see your EVIDENCE for 'economic refugees sponge off our welfare'.

 

So true. Kevin Rudd seems to be winning the mean and grubby stakes... curious to see both Labor and Liberal vying to see who can be the meanest and grubbiest towards refugees. Refugees, the political football and cornerstone of winning elections...

 

This should be the main focus of your thread, as I believe you are talking chalk and cheese with the original.

Unfortunately the problem is perpetuated by both parties, the better systems are not politically expedient so will not be introduced. Alas... We can only try.

 

I don't think the 2,000 refugee children in Indonesia feel particularly safe. Evidence some are being severely abused and neglected there.

Don't be disingenuous.

Let me ship you off to Indonesia to live 8 to a room, and no, you can’t work or send your kids to school. Just sit there on a non-existent queue waiting to die. Who knows, maybe you’ll be tempted to get on a boat because you figure you have the unalienable right to exist as a full human being and to try and give your children a shot at life. These so-called 'transitional points' you mention - are not transitional points at all. The people live in limbo, not transition... that's why they get on boats.

 

Well said Gwen, this is the crux.....why do they continue to try and make bits of the puzzle that simply don't belong, FIT???

 

Even if he was a hypocrite, what kind of argument is that? An empty emotional one. He is here to serve the country, not himself. So if he believes unregulated immigration harms the country, he is obligated to oppose it, whether he was once an immigrant or not. In fact, not doing so would make him a hypocrite too, putting his emotional integrity over the good of the country. A politician should not do that.

 

Where is the evidence of your claim???

Fact is you are now trying to associate your claim of one person fleeing from immediate oppression as to the particular movement from one nation to another in attempt to reach a further nation.

I wonder what you are trying to proclaim as similarity...

Again I find another being disingenuous over this issue, comparing one action to another and pretending they are the same. Fact is, he fled imminent danger to a place to apply for asylum. You are pretending he fled to Australia... This assertion is by your claim of hypocrisy. I don’t think anybody other than you would deny anybody who flees to the closest place of safety from imminent danger as being in the same boat as the people you are trying to associate them with.

Who is being disingenuous??? This thread is disingenuous to all asylum-seekers regardless of circumstances or actions.

Ok so you want to compare the living conditions of Indonesia to the conditions of Vietnam of the 70's and 80's. I know which is better, just because you want to compare actions and living conditions. You also want to ignore the very fact that one travelled to closest place of perceived safety compared to the others passing through countries to get to a place for better life. I know why they get on the boats in Indonesia and the government should be condemned for such. I also know why they got on the boats in Vietnam and again chalk and cheese. Search for a better life compared to search to stay alive are two different things…

So stop that moral pretence of what this is about, your claim of hypocrisy simply ignores the truth of the situation.

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We already know your ignorance of this subject, perhaps you should hold your comments until you have something of substance to say.

 

My evidence is all the so called refugees asking for refunds from smugglers and those at PNG making arrangements to go home since they wont get a free ride off the back of Aussie workers. Theres numerous safe countries before reaching Australia, fact is they target the nanny welfare countries. I dont blame them, Western welfare looks pretty damn good when 80% of the world lives on less than $10/ day and increasing by 80m/ year, but to 3rd world ourselves because of lefties emotions is idiotic and wont help anyone. We're better off helping by staying first world and then bring them cheap power, irrigation ect ect - some condoms wouldnt hurt either.

 

Gwendoline, you've raised legitimate points here that simply nails the issue nice and concisely.....I truly mean it! It is a complete shame that argumentative Pedantic loonies simply want to win an argument, expecting others to provide substance when you've provided a really good insight into this issue, which needs nothing more than acknowledgment. It is crazy to see them trying their hardest to make that glass slipper fit!

 

Simply further demonstrates the ignorance of the entire subject... But hey, go for it. Nothing is more sublime than somebody supporting that ignorance. Watching people lay that pretence of moral superiority just demonstrates more the point that one should think very carefully.

But we all know thought and subject are your enemy...

 

You've just got to cut out the "know all" pedantic drivel gazza! No one is claiming this silly "moral superiority" statement of yours. People are looking at this issue from more complex perspectives, not just from some loony, want to win every argument "with" pedantic nonsensical drivel, which could at least could be MORE concise I might add!

 

John Nguyen obviously has a better grip on the issue than air headed bleeding hearts. This issue has the capacity to escalate to obscene proportions, and yet people like Sarah Hansen - Cow want to expand the people smuggling industry to the maximum. Amazing.

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We all saw it TV, We saw Garry expose your ignorance, and errors once again.

 

Yep, just another one of those nothing comments again....the glass slipper ain't going to fit!

 

Yes you are trying to proclaim the moral superiority, you last lack of substance post proclaims such...

That seems well above your black and white point of veiw that Australia either accepts them or not...

Now it is a complex... What changed??? Did you realise how stupid it made you sound?

Win every debate??? No... I want to make people think, nothing more. I reply to your ignorant bigotry to show that most Australian's condemn such attitudes and treat such stupid intellectually challenged people with the contempt they deserve. Unfortunately the world has not a good impression of Australians due to such bigotry and racism and when vile hatred is hidden in your supposed moral superior stand it does nothing but drag the Australian reputation down...

 

Here we go with drivel again! Add "speculative" drivel to the ever growing list of adjectives! Get off the silly soap box about how others see Aussies! It's a load of nonsensical drivel again! Yep, I have a violent vile hatred!

 

Speculative???

And you know this how??? Oh that is right, you don't and if you don't, nobody else does either...

Speculative??? No that is clearly demonstrated by yourself…


Perhaps you should get out more... Oh I don't mean to your local union meeting, I mean go to Indonesia maybe China, Japan, America, Russia Malaysia... etc, etc then maybe you might have some idea of what your pretending to know about...

Yes, we all already know this and you continue to demonstrated it with every post.

 

If he wants to stop the boats... he needs to go back in time... put himself in the same fishing boat he was once in... and have someone stop HIS boat.

That is what he is advocating. To stop the boats. He was in a boat once. Selective boat stopping, he is advocating. What he means is, "stop all the boats, except for MINE."

"...putting his emotional integrity over the good of the country"? Yeah, sure. Because 'integrity' is such a nasty, terrible thing, right? The good of a country DOES involve having politicians that have integrity. Otherwise, revolting, inhumane decisions are made to the 'detriment' of the 'good' country.

 

And please feel free to show some evidence for this. My travels and current living situation definitely fly in the face of your claim. I pretty much get away with blue murder because I am Australian, and EVERYONE loves Australians

 

Because the only real argument in this situation is emotional. The reality is any form of immigration is super hard, you are turning your back on any cultural reference, friends family, everything. And these people do it in the hope of giving their kids something better. Thats the emotional argument people dont want to hear. And usually avoided by people who already in Australia

 

Abused refugee children in detention in Indonesia:

Not at all. I was responding to your claim that:

Indonesia a case in point, since boat people arriving from there. The living conditions for refugees in Indonesia appalling / dehumanising. They get on boats. But Nguyen who got in a boat himself... figures now he's here and safe and well, so bugger the rest.

You assume much but miss much.

No, John Nguyen is disingenuous. He's safe and dry, no one stopped his boat. Yet HE wants to stop the boats.

You know why they get on boats in Indonesia? Do tell.

Garry, you're the one making comparisons, not me. I gave reasons why refugees are getting on boats in Indonesia.

Since boats are coming from Indonesia and John Nguyen wants to STOP the boats, I gave reason as to why refugees in Indonesia get on boats.

I bet John Nguyen wishes there'd been someone around to stop his boat... I bet he wishes he could have stopped his own boat...

The once boat person stopping the boats.