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Sun in a new lower sunspot phase in the coming decades?

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  1. skepticalmike

    skepticalmike Well-Known Member

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    Richard Lindzen has a long record of being very wrong about the climate and making absurd claims. He is a member of the CATO group, a libertarian
    think-tank, so his views seem to be politically motivated like other members of that group. He was a well respected scientist when he was a young man
    but he is not held in high esteem anymore.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bingo, he does not agree with you and for that sole reason you do not like the man.
    If you think your views are not motivated by politics, read what you just said above again.
     
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    skepticalmike Well-Known Member

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    The Berkeley website does not support the claims made at the "What's Up With That" site on the contiguous U.S. surface temperature.
    The last 20 years do not show that the contiguous U.S. has been cooling.
    There is a table showing hottest monthly and annual averages. The table covers 1820 to 2020. The years 2001 through 2020 hold 7 of
    the top 10 records for hottest monthly and annual averages. 1998, 1999 , and 1934 rank 7,8, and 9 respectively. 1998 was a year in which
    a very strong El Nino occurred.

    Whats New - Berkeley Earth (lbl.gov)


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    skepticalmike Well-Known Member

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    My views are not motivated by politics. It is no coincidence that close to 100% of the people who argue strongly against AGW are
    conservatives or people that don't like big government and anything that is viewed as a threat to capitalism. Richard Lindzen fits
    that category.
     
    skepticalmike, Jun 22, 2021
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    Does it not bother you one bit that the globe is bigger than one small spot in America?
     
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    BIG time! Lindzen retired in 2013 and has not published one paper in ten years. That makes him very dated in a field that constantly looks to recent data for validation. His work is now only of historical interest and no better than the claim that “my Grandpaw remembers”
     
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    No it is a mess

    there have been so many discredited papers on there that basically it is a joke. Anthony Watts will post anything so long as it fits in the denialist view

    https://www.desmog.com/anthony-watts/

    And this is why he is happy to post made up rubbish put together my someone’s whose highest qualification is as a massage therapist
     
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    Nope! It is not! And I have provided evidence - they are publishing faux research written by a massage therapist
     
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    Robert since you are fond of videos why not have a look at this one

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m00049b1/climate-change-the-facts

    ooops this might work in the USA https://www.pbs.org/video/climate-change-the-facts-ua6lmf/

    or here

    Attenborough used to be a sceptic but he has seen the change in the ecologies of the world first hand
     
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    I have already proven it is using inaccurate data
     
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    You own comment shows YOU are being political.

    LOL

    By the way I am NOT a Republican, never have been, was a Democrat until the early 1990's been Independent ever since.
     
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    Not a shred of evidence given, opinion only.

    LOL
     
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    No in fact he his posting research to validate his arguments as opposed to people whose only contributions are Ad Hominems
     
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    You have a hard time understanding that you are using radically different baseline for your chart and a different start time too.

    Start Year 1820 versus start year 2000

    Meanwhile you have yet to show that CERES (oh that's right, you didn't bother with it at all) which isn't suprising.

    Why can't you do the obvious here?
     
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    Sooooooo are you still touting the blog post written by a massage therapist as accurate?
     
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  18. Jack Hays

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    If you knew anything about WUWT you would know they post on both sides of the debate. A consensus climate scientist has a much better chance of being posted onWUWT than a skeptic has of being posted on RealClimate, for example.

    Your narrow credentialist bias is noted.
     
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    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    It is not "rated" by anyone who merits our attention.

    "The Columbia Journalism Review describes Media Bias/Fact Check as an amateur attempt at categorizing media bias and Van Zandt as an "armchair media analyst".[2]"
    Media Bias/Fact Check - Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Fact_Check

    Media Bias/Fact Check (MBFC) is an American website founded in 2015 by editor Dave Van Zandt. The website has been described as an amateur effort to rate ...
     
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    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    Now you're just denying. And still dodging the topic.
     
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    Jack Hays Well-Known Member Donor

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    That is a fantasy post. Dismissed.
     
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    Actually, your own chart shows the cooling of the last 20 years. Thanks.
     
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    We know from Climategate that skeptics have great difficulty getting published in "consensus" journals.

    Three papers as recently as 2014.
    2014 Covey C, Dai A, Lindzen RS, Marsh DR. Atmospheric tides in the latest generation of climate models Journal of the Atmospheric Sciences. 71: 1905-1913. DOI: 10.1175/Jas-D-13-0358.1 0.92
    2014 Lindzen RS. Enok Palm: Modest pioneer - An historical and personal memoir of Eliassen and Palm, 1960 European Journal of Mechanics, B/Fluids. 47: 9-11. DOI: 10.1016/J.Euromechflu.2013.11.001 0.92
    2014 Choi YS, Cho H, Ho CH, Lindzen RS, Park SK, Yu X. Influence of non-feedback variations of radiation on the determination of climate feedback Theoretical and Applied Climatology. 115: 355-364. DOI: 10.1007/S00704-013-0998-6 0.92

    This from 2020:
    An oversimplified picture of the climate behavior based on a ...
    https://link.springer.com › article › epjp

    Jun 3, 2020 — An oversimplified picture of the climate behavior based on a single process can lead to distorted conclusions. Richard S. Lindzen ...
     
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    A claim that was never proven and in fact there was a journal at the time “energy and environment” that was started just so anyone who thought that editorial bias was political - its impact factor rates it 90 out of 93 lols!
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_&_Environment
    And only those last two are really relevant - the sources I used had not listed those but tell me - does Lindzen state within those papers that climate change is not happening?
     
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    Only if you hold the screen upside down lols!
     
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