Supreme Court will hear case that could change how presidents are chosen

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  1. Thirty6BelowZero

    Thirty6BelowZero Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They want to change the very thing they're sworn to uphold. They've lied under oath many times in their attempt to bury Trump or someone he supports like Kavanaugh.
     
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    It's working the way it is. It needs to stay this way so that the smaller voices can be heard. You do like the smaller voices having their say, correct?
     
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    Right? Something the people should have voted on per state...
     
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    Being abused by the small red states? FFS man, it takes 14 red states to equal the same amount of EC votes as CA and NY. If there's any state abusing something, it's CA and NY. If Republicans don't rally hard in every single swing state, it's pretty much a loss for us.
     
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    If that is what you want your state to do then have it do so. The Federal Government cannot tell the states how to do it.
     
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    Presidents are not elected by the "will of We the People", civics 101. And the only reason your state electors are elected by the people of your state is by the good graces of the state government.
     
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    I guess there used to be some credible people in the other party back then.
    Today, doesn't seem to be the case. All party all the time. Country be damned.

    Back before Clinton, there was even more compromise. More working across the aisle.
    IMO, Gingrich started the extreme partisanship. And has snowballed.
     
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    They have always had the option to vote their conscience. And while most States do have laws requiring electors to follow the vote, the are often unenforceable. And even if they are enforced, it doesn't change the vote.

    This option to overturn the vote is the most critical function of the electoral college and it failed miserably. Electors are supposed to act as a safety valve in the event of mass hysteria, as we see with trump supporters. It was their duty to reject trump as unfit for office. But honor and integrity have no meaning now and it is all about winning at any cost.

    This is how America died. Trumpers voted away the soul of the country.
     
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    Wow sounds like the electors saved us from the crazies after reading this one.
     
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    No they didn’t. Learn your history.

    Madison wrote in essence, that the general citizenry were incapable of making an educated decision, therefore they needed to have smart people make the decisions for them. But the MAIN reason for the EC was made at the constitutional convention to satisfy the small states to somehow ensure them equal representation. But at that same convention they create the 3/5ths compromise for the souther states, thus, in the beginning the southern states had a much greater representation.

    And at that same convention, since you think they were such great minds......George Mason said that a president should be impeachable for abusing of power because (paraphrase:) “if he can get into office by corrupt means, he could basically abuse the power of the office to gain greater power to keep the office for his own self interest”.....

    You still think they had everything right ?
     
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    NO. At the time the founders had no way of seeing geographic population density like we have today. They came up with the 3/5ths compromise to make them more equal, so they did recognize it at the time, but old in no way foresee the further.

    The 3/5 compromise tells you from the start that they wanted equal representation of the citizenry, and NOT what we see today where states like Montana have mush greater representation than New York. To say they didn’t account for population it disingenuous to the debate. The original colonies were all about the same population when it was written, today New Yor state has 10x the population of Montana......they represented the people, nit the land
     
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    As long as their equal voices. Why does a person in California have less representation then someone in North Dakota ?

    The FF did not give land mass the vote....they gave it to the people
     
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    Giving 538 unelected people the power to decide the executive branch of government is exactly what the founding fathers did NOT want. They wanted equal representation for all, as is represented by the 3/5th compromise
     
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    Exactly.
     
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    That is a MASSIVE load of bovine excrement!
     
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    Yet more bovine excrement!

    Sad!
     
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    Are you fallaciously PRETENDING that EC votes are "equal representation"?

    Because the MATH proves otherwise!
     
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    Thank you for ESTABLISHING that your CRIMINAL IMPOTUS was NOT IMPOSED on the nation by the "will of We the People".
     
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    You don't think one party impeaching a President purely because they can't accept the outcome of the election, is extreme partisanship? I'm 62 years old and have never seen anything like this in my life time. All the foolishness can't overcome Trump's approval on the economy, 54.3% approval to 40.7% disapproval. Neither Biden, Klobushar nor Warren or Sanders can even come close.
     
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    The Democrat party proves it it's incapable of choosing a President.
     
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    Look for yourself.
     
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    What Republicans voted for it?
     
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    The folks in sparsely populated states shouldn't be held hostage by states that have the biggest populations due to handouts.

    “When the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic.” ― Benjamin Franklin
     
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    And if states want to allocate all their EC votes to the person who won the national popular vote then they may do so. The Federal Government cannot tell the states how to do it.
     
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    How did you MISS the extreme partisan PETTINESS of impeaching Clinton for a blowjob? :eek:
     

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