Excerpt from the Atlantic Article of Feminists use of bogus science in educational research The description of America's teenage girls as silenced, tortured, and otherwise personally diminished was (and is) indeed dismaying. But no real evidence has ever been offered to support it. Certainly neither Gilligan nor the popular writers who followed her lead produced anything like solid empirical evidence, gathered according to the conventional protocols of social-science research. The great discrepancy between what Gilligan says she discovered about adolescent girls and what numerous other scientists say they have learned raises obvious questions about the quality of Gilligan's research. And these questions loom larger the more one examines Gilligan's methods. Carol Gilligan is a much-celebrated figure. Journalists routinely cite her research on the distinctive moral psychology of women. She was Ms. magazine's Woman of the Year in 1984, and Time put her on its short list of most-influential Americans in 1996. In 1997 she received the $250,000 Heinz Award for "transform[ing] the paradigm for what it means to be human." Such a transformation would certainly be a feat. At the very least, it would require a great deal of empirical supporting evidence. Most of Gilligan's published research, however, consists of anecdotes based on a small number of interviews. Her data are otherwise unavailable for review, giving rise to some reasonable doubts about their merits and persuasiveness. In the spring of 1998 Judith Kleinfeld, a psychologist at the University of Alaska, published a thorough critique of the research on schoolgirls titled "The Myth That Schools Shortchange Girls: Social Science in the Service of Deception." Kleinfeld exposed a number of errors in the AAUW/Wellesley Center study, concluding that it was "politics dressed up as science." Kleinfeld's report prompted several publications, including The New York Times and Education Week, to take a second look at claims that girls were in a tragic state. Gilligan's views are attractive to many of those who believe that boys could profit by being more sensitive and empathetic. But anyone thinking to enlist in Gilligan's project of getting boys in touch with their inner nurturer would do well to note that her central thesisthat boys are being imprisoned by conventional ideas of masculinityis not a scientific hypothesis. Nor, it seems, does Gilligan regard it in this light, for she presents no data to support it. It is, in fact, an extravagant piece of speculation of the kind that would not be taken seriously in most professional departments of psychology.
These excerpts are a rebuttal by Christa Hoff Summers in the Atlantic Article that gender is harmful in education On a less academic plane Gilligan's proposed reformation seems to challenge common sense. It is obvious that a boy wants his father to help him become a young man, and belonging to the culture of manhood is important to almost every boy. To impugn his desire to become "one of the boys" is to deny that a boy's biology determines much of what he prefers and is attracted to. Unfortunately, by denying the nature of boys, education theorists can cause them much misery. What Gilligan and her followers are proposing is quite different: civilize boys by diminishing their masculinity. "Raise boys like we raise girls" is Gloria Steinem's advice. This approach is deeply disrespectful of boys. It is meddlesome, abusive, and quite beyond what educators in a free society are mandated to do. The widening gender gap in academic achievement is real. It threatens the future of millions of American boys. Boys do not need to be rescued from their masculinity. But they are not getting the help they need. In the climate of disapproval in which boys now exist, programs designed to aid them have a very low priority. This must change. We should repudiate the partisanship that currently clouds the issues surrounding sex differences in the schools. We should call for balance, objective information, fair treatment, and a concerted national effort to get boys back on track. That means we can no longer allow the partisans of girls to write the rules.
Of course not, as an egalitarean, I believe inequalities are wrong when those inequalities are a result of discrimination and they effect either gender or any race. As a feminist do you believe inequalities are wrong only when those inequalities effect women, but do you celebrate inequalities that effect men, like the post secondary gap in education, because it favors women???
OK, I can't sleep so here goes. As I've already stated:"""If you read my posts I don't believe I even mentioned which sex suffers more....and I don't think it should be a contest....ANY sexism harms PEOPLE. YES, males suffer from ignorant sexist stereotyping, too, I hope you're not impling that it's more important than when girls are stereotyped...."" I am a feminist and to me that means I'm against sexism. I'll be honest, during my life I've suffered from sexism due to the fact I'm a woman as have most women throughout history. Men have never suffered from sexism near as much as women have....they have usually profited from it. So I can't help but care more about sexism directed at women even though I emphasize that sexism is bad for both sexes. I also realize that sexism, like racism, will not just disappear with laws. I also believe sexism is much worse than racism because it's much more subtle. Most people acknowledge that racism is wrong, they know racism when they see it, they know racism in themselves ...but they can't always recognize sexism because it's shoved down our throats from birth( Pink Hat for Girl Baby, Blue Hat for Boy Baby)...it seems to be part of life. Are there feminists who "celebrate" in sexism directed at men? Probably, there's always extremists in any organization and there are extremist sexists who believe men should rule women and women should do nothing but pump out babies and wait on men....and those extremists far outnumber feminist extremists. As a feminist I , too, believe inequalities are wrong when those inequalities are a result of discrimination and they effect either gender or any race. I could do a search and post a thousand links to the studies on how women are discriminated against but I've been discussing this for about 45 years and am getting tired.
What sexism have you suffered from in your lifetime??? How do men profit from sexism in the west in 2014??? Do you have a source preferrably an empirical study from a peer reviewd scientific journal for your claim that traditionalists far outnumber female supremacists or is this an opinion, not a fact??? Do you have a source preferrably an empirical study from a peer reviewed scientific journal for your claim that men suffer from near as much sexism as women or is this an opinion, not a fact??? You never answered my question. Do you look at the gender achievement gap at universities favoring women as a victory??? Do you believe the sentencing gap favors men??? In other words, women get 63% lighter sentences than men for comitting the same crime and that's after being twenty times less likely to even be prosecuted for the crime in the first place. Estimating Gender Disparities in Federal Criminal Cases Sonja B. Starr University of Michigan Law School August 29, 2012 University of Michigan Law and Economics Research Paper, No. 12-018 Abstract: This paper assesses gender disparities in federal criminal cases. It finds large gender gaps favoring women throughout the sentence length distribution (averaging over 60%), conditional on arrest offense, criminal history, and other pre-charge observables. Female arrestees are also significantly likelier to avoid charges and convictions entirely, and twice as likely to avoid incarceration if convicted. Prior studies have reported much smaller sentence gaps because they have ignored the role of charging, plea-bargaining, and sentencing fact-finding in producing sentences. Most studies control for endogenous severity measures that result from these earlier discretionary processes and use samples that have been winnowed by them. I avoid these problems by using a linked dataset tracing cases from arrest through sentencing. Using decomposition methods, I show that most sentence disparity arises from decisions at the earlier stages, and use the rich data to investigate causal theories for these gender gaps. http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2144002
If feminism just simply means, 'sexual equality,' then how do you account for these statements by feminists leaders including a supreme court justice, another whos the editor of Ms. Magazine, a former congress women, an advisoress to Al Gores presidential campaign, Authors, and a feminist dictionary. "All men are rapists and that's all they are" Marilyn French, Authoress; (later, advisoress to Al Gore's Presidential Campaign.) "I believe that women have a capacity for understanding and compassion which man structurally does not have, does not have it because he cannot have it. He's just incapable of it." Barbara Jordan; Former Congresswoman "Men are rapists, batterers, plunderers, killers; these same men are religious prophets, poets, heroes, figures of romance, adventure, accomplishment, figures ennobled by tragedy and defeat. Men have claimed the earth, called it 'Her'. Men ruin Her. Men have airplanes, guns, bombs, poisonous gases, weapons so perverse and deadly that they defy any authentically human imagination." Andrea Dworkin, "Pornography: Men Possessing Women" "As long as some men use physical force to subjugate females, all men need not. The knowledge that some men do suffices to threaten all women. He can beat or kill the woman he claims to love; he can rape women...he can sexually molest his daughters... THE VAST MAJORITY OF MEN IN THE WORLD DO ONE OR MORE OF THE ABOVE." Marilyn French "I feel that 'man-hating' is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them." Robin Morgan, "Ms. Magazine" Editor "Under patriarchy, every woman's son is her potential betrayer and also the inevitable rapist or exploiter of another woman." Andrea Dworkin "All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman." Catherine MacKinnon "And if the professional rapist is to be separated from the average dominant heterosexual (male), it may be mainly a quantitative difference." Susan Griffin, "Rape: The All-American Crime" In a speech in Banff, Canada, Andrea Dworkin exhorted her audience to "stop men who beat women", "Get them jailed or get them killed. ... When the law fails us, we cannot fail each other." "Men, as a group, tend to be abusive, either verbally, sexually or emotionally. There are always the exceptions, but they are few and far between (I am married to one of them). There are different levels of violence and abuse and individual men buy into this system by varying degrees. But the male power structure always remains intact." Message on FEMISA, responding to a request for arguments that men are unnecessary for a child to grow into mature adulthood "Women have their faults. Men have only two: everything they say, and everything they do." graffiti frequently found on university campuses with active feminist movements From 'A feminist Dictionary', edited by Kramarae and Triechler, Pandora Press, 1985: MALE:...represents a variant of or deviation from the category of female. The first males were mutants...the male sex represents a degeneration and deformity of the female. MAN:...an obsolete life form... an ordinary creature who needs to be watched...a contradictory baby-man... TESTOSTERONE POISONING: ... 'Until now it has been though that the level of testosterone in men is normal simply because they have it. But if you consider how abnormal their behavior is, then you are led to the hypothesis that almost all men are suffering from "testosterone poisoning." Sonia Sotomayor: Supreme Court Justice "I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life."
In one sentence you say, "sexism should not be a contest any sexism harms people". Then a paragraph later you say, "Men have never suffered near as much sexism as women" Isn't that self serving hypocrisy???
No, both statements are accurate. I see by all your barrage of out of context cherry picked willy nilly quotes that either you're a male who feels like a victim , a woman who worships men , extremely young or have no knowledge of history. As I said, I have done the fight, been in the trenches and suffered personally from sexism.... I have nothing to prove . You say ask,"How do men profit from sexism in the west in 2014???"" They still make more money than women in the same position....and that's the bottom line, money. Keep up the diatribe about how poor little men are sooooo discriminated against....at this stage in my life I can just laugh and shrug it off...
Ad hominen attacks are the last bastion of a position that cannot withstand scrutiny So do I understand you correctly feminism is about money/greed??? Also you never answered my question. Do you look at the gender achievement gap at universities favoring women as a victory??? - - - Updated - - - A really black pot calling a slightly black kettle black
Oh, he just learned the term 'ad hom', doesnt know what it really means, but thinks it is a kind of auto-win if he says it. Pretty childish stuff.
Since you assert that men make more money than women in the same position(without a source btw) would you say women are oppressed financially because the facts don't support this assertion. For example: Women are earning, spending, and influencing spending at a greater rate than ever before -- and they account for $7 trillion in consumer and business spending in the United States, and over the next decade they will control two-thirds of consumer wealth. Women make or influence 85 percent of all purchasing decisions, and purchase over 50 percent of traditional male products, including automobiles, home improvement products and consumer electronics Earning Power 1. The average American woman is expected to earn more than the average American male by 2028 2. Fifty-one percent of U.S. private wealth is controlled by women 3. Women account for over 50% of all stock ownership in the U.S. 4. Women control more than 60% of all personal wealth in the U.S. Spending Power 1. Women account for 85% of all consumer purchases, including everything from autos to health care 2. Women make 80% of healthcare decisions and 68 percent of new car purchase decisions 3. Seventy-five percent of women identified themselves as the primary shoppers for their households 4. Women influenced $90 billion of consumer electronic purchases in 2007 Women and Cars 1. Women buy more than half of the new cars in the U.S., and influence up to 80% of all car purchases 2. Women request 65% of the service work done at dealerships 3. Women spend over $200 billion on new cars and mechanical servicing of vehicles each year 4. Forty-five percent of all light trucks and SUVs are purchased by women The sources for the statistics cited in this article are as follows: She-Economy, Ms Smith Marketing, StartUpNation, Clickz, Inc.com, Girl Power Marketing, Catalyst, Forbes. http://www.mediapost.com/publicatio...0413/marketing-to-women-30-stats-to-know.html
You believe those statements are accurate, but how are those statements not examples of self serving hipocrisy. In one sentence you say, sexism is not a contest. Then a paragraph later you make the claim that men have not suffered near as much sexism as women??? In other words, you choose to believe something when it supports your position then you discount the exact same idea when it doesn't support your position??? How is that not self serving hypocrisy??? Also you did not answer my question. Do you look at the gender achievment gap in post secondary education favoring women as a victory???
""""Since you assert that men make more money than women in the same position(without a source btw) would you say women are oppressed financially because the facts don't support this assertion. For example"""" NONE of your examples prove me wrong, NONE say women make the same as men in the same position....(????)
They don't because men on salary tend to work longer hours, take less time off, not take pregnancy leave etc - that's how meritocracy works - men on average do more work within the same position and get paid for for it, as it should be
So do you believe a person should make as much money as someone who works longer hours and takes an extended amount of time off as someone who doesn't??? Also I've asked several times and you never answered my question. Do you look at the post secondary gender achievment gap in education that favors women as a victory???
Women work 86% of a man's workweek, yet they account for 85% of consumer spending. Somehow, women don't seem as monetarily oppressed as you make them out to be
Trying to poison the well? There are more fallacies being used here than just ad hom attacks it seems.
I "admitted" nothing. To admit is to reluctantly confess; I did neither. I made the statement that I do not like men. I didnt qualify it. If all of us qualified every statement we made, it would be wearisome in the extreme. "I dont like wool takes too long to dry"... except for blah blah and under these circumstances. Ry, an example of the sort of man I do detest, keeps posting responses to things I say, I guess for the lurkers such as there may be. Or maybe for himself. Perhaps he hopes to provoke a response, and hopes to get a charge out of it if he succeeds. As for men in general- Very bad experience has made me wary and afraid of men who I do not know. I probably would have a hard time saying that I "like dogs" if I'd been equally viciously attacked by one, and continued to have ill mannered individuals snapping at me, as here. I get on fine with my boyfriend, and with various relatives, or other men that I know well. Of course, I've said this kind of thing elsewhere, but your friend there just has to have it some other way for his misogyn agenda, which I find ugly and distasteful in the extreme. Do avoid giving him further platform from which to spew his noxious gases.
Well feminists have been caught using false data; false statistics to further their agendas For example: White Ribbon Campaign and Unethical Pro Social Advertising The White ribbon Campaign aims to involve men in "preventing" violence against women, and actively promotes (advertises) false data, false statisctics. As part of its campaign it perpetuates a false picture which ignores the reality of female perpetrated violence against men. This study addresses this issue. http://mhaweb.squarespace.com/storage/fi...dustry.pdf "DISHONESTY IN THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE INDUSTRY, 2006 Micheal Woods Senior Lecturer University of Western Sydney The domestic violence industry in Australia is a multi-million dollar enterprise, ostensibly designed to ensure that women live free of violence. However, it seems that some sections of this industry such as the White Ribbon Campaign (WRC) are engaging in the use of dishonesty to further the interests of organisational growth rather than contribute to addressing a social problem. While questions of probity are important where substantial amounts of government funds are involved, the dishonesty being practiced is also contrary to the interests of those women the industry claims to champion." Moreover, 65 million euro was redacted from the Nordic Gender Research Institute because it was found they were using, 'bogus science,' to further their agenda. Moreover, Taikoo has been caught lying before when she claimed she made more money than I do when in reality she's just a student. But, if she was actually truly attacked like she says she was, I think it's horrible and she has my sympathy. It's horrible when anyone is attacked regardless of their gender, but it still does not justify becoming a member of a supremacist hate group like the feminists. Were the Nazis justified in killing 13 million defenseless jews, (children, women, and men) because some jewish industrialists profitted from perpetuating WWI and as a result many german soldiers died???
Honestly next to fundamentalist Christian homeschooling this is a fate I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy's kid
